Beckett 20 Questions on … memorabilia cards
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By Chris Olds | Beckett Sports Card Monthly Editor
It’s all memorabilia cards all the time as we prep The Game-used Issue of Beckett Sports Card Monthly, so it’s all that right here, too.
Here is the latest installment of 20 Questions — all about memorabilia cards.
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Chris Olds is the editor of Beckett Baseball and Beckett Sports Card Monthly magazines. Have a comment, question or idea? Send an email to him at colds@beckett.com. Follow him on Twitter by clicking here.
There are waaaaay too many alleged game used cards. I doubt 50% of their validity. Over saturation is causing under valuation. Less is more. I’d rather have one better verified GU card than 50 questionable ones, or just produce manufactured patch w/wo autos and make them look awesome. Quality over quantity always wins.
If a dirty game-used jersey card were untouchable (e.g., under acetate), then I would definitely be more interested in it. Otherwise, nothing stops an unscrupulous seller from getting it dirty before selling it.
As for hitless boxes if they stopped rookie photo shoot jersey/patch cards, why would the autos disappear as well?
If the only “hit” in a box is a rookie photo shoot mem card, then it’s already a hitless box.
Again, there is no reason for *new* memorabilia cards, whether game-used or event-used, not to include use dates and photos on the card. As a value proposition in the long run, these cards are only going to be good as their provenance. The card companies really need to demand this from their contract partners, whether it be the players or leagues. The stories of fake new memorabilia being sold to the card companies are too glaring to be ignored. If it means fewer jersey cards or bat cards, so be it. A little scarcity would be a good thing.
A lot of these are blurring the line between cards and actual pieces of memorabilia. I’d consider some of them more of a shadowbox display than a sports card. When the thickness gets to a certain point, I don’t think you can still call it a card. I mean they’re still cool. I just wouldn’t consider them all cards.
Such a shames. Not a single question on COA and whether we COLLECTORS feel it is important. You missed out a perfect opportunity to let the readers vote on what you say is “semantics”regarding the COA on the back of the memorabilia cards. Beckett, I hope your complacency on this matter is justified. Yeah, I am a little angry that you (Beckett) the voice of us collectors remain silent on this very serious matter. But hey I understand, job security.
Joe: Have at it here (No. 3) … http://www.beckett.com/news/2012/10/beckett-20-questions-collecting-game-used/
I remember that. But why not continue to press the issue. You and every collector knows that the COA on the back is meaningless and if the companies are ever taken to court over this issue they would win because the COA is MEANINGLESS.
Paul: You should know to not make assumptions. As for your stance on everything should be game-dated, there’s a ton of stuff that isn’t specifically game-dated that’s just as used as the rest is. One practical example from the past: http://www.beckett.com/news/2012/10/game-used-you-may-never-know-for-sure-that-its-real/
Joe: I’ll let you argue that point, not that I agree with it. (Thanks for the previous insult, by the way.)
Chris – just to clarify, I’m not saying EVERYTHING should be game-dated. What I’m saying is that it should all be certified as game-used in an actual official game, even if the exact game cannot be identified (except, obviously, for items identified as manufactured for the product or event-used from rookie photo shoot). I would LIKE to see more stuff specifically associated with a specific game or period of time whenever possible, though. But the current standard COA on card backs really offers no assurances that items were even used in a real game.
I used to write a card collecting column for the papers I work for, and in the course of writing that column I talked to the president of one of the card companies (as a courtesy to him, I won’t say which, although I will say it wasn’t one of the current “big three”). I asked him about why his company’s cards didn’t offer a more specific COA at that time and he explained that the company makes a deal with the players and the players send them a jersey, but the company never knew where or when that jersey was used. It could have been a practice jersey, event worn or even a souvenir replica jersey for all they knew. All they knew for sure was that the player sent it to them. Now, chances are it was probably game-used, but there was no assurances of that. For me, that’s not good enough. Dating aside, if I get a supposedly game-used piece of memorabilia, I want to at least know it was really worn by that player in an official game – just like if I get an autograph I want to know that it was really signed by that player.
You have pictures of a lot of really cool stuff in the poll here and I can understand why many people enjoy collecting it. But to me and many other collectors, if it’s not guaranteed as being used in an official game, I have no interest. Dating it to a specific game or time period would simply raise my interest a lot more.
Yes, the COA is important. I do applaud the fact you allow us to vent here in the hopes someone will listen. I like to think my constantly pitching the idea of points got Panini to do what they did, though its not quite what I had hoped for, its a start.
Too many of the companies have gone the cheap route when it comes to game used.
Either do it right, or don’t do it at all. You can make an awful lot of game used cards from a Jersey, including
many premium types that sell for more than the original piece at times. Yes, I think that’s a bit crazy.
Personally, I don’t care if they don’t put in a game used per box. They only do that now as a way of justifying
the prices of the boxes. Thing is, they’ve made too many boxes where you have zero real hope of even
breaking even on the box. At that point, you either buy only a few packs, or just get what you want on the
secondary market from the poor slob that got screwed.
Let’s face it, if we want to go pure gamble we might as well just buy a scratcher ticket since at least we get
cash back w/o having to sell it via Ebay or the like.