[scollignon]

I vote real but altered. Funny, people ask the price to help determine real or fake. What this tells me is if I sell a fake, I need to ask book value to convince everyone it is real...LOL.

[jonathani]

Possibly real. Likely altered.

[rybowski97]

honestly without having it graded or authenticated, that is a purchase i wouldnt make. tell the seller you will pay to have it graded, it if comes back ok he gets his cash. if it comes back altered or fake, he can keep it and your out 20 bucks instead of a few hundred

[hercules21]

honestly without having it graded or authenticated, that is a purchase i wouldnt make. tell the seller you will pay to have it graded, it if comes back ok he gets his cash. if it comes back altered or fake, he can keep it and your out 20 bucks instead of a few hundred

That's a good idea. this scenario won't be quite that simple, but i'll try something similar.

[sonnyday]

On the back the bull has no white in its nostrils. I thought that was an obvious tell of a fake card

[hercules21]

On the back the bull has no white in its nostrils. I thought that was an obvious tell of a fake card

You may be confusing that with the whites in the eyes of the bull, which is one of the tells. The other card in the pictures is a common which does not appear to have different nostrils than the MJ. But I could be wrong.

[hercules21]

so it seems to me that the top left corner cardboard is not quite as stiff as the rest of the card, which may indicate water damage rather than an altercation. i will let you guys know how it grades.

[hercules21]

As suspected, came back authentic but altered. They checked off evidence of recoloring.

...what kind of recoloring are people doing that makes this a common altercation? why do it? are they trying to cover up print spot errors? is it often done on this Fleer set?

[patrick54]

As suspected, came back authentic but altered. They checked off evidence of recoloring.

...what kind of recoloring are people doing that makes this a common altercation? why do it? are they trying to cover up print spot errors? is it often done on this Fleer set?

They usually use a red marker to fill in the white along the edges to make the edges look better. The person that did it to this card allowed it to run off to the back of the card which was pretty obvious, but at least the card is authentic.

[johngt007]

So you keeping that card?