10-05-2011, 02:54 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-05-2011, 03:09 PM by xstreaminsanity.)
RE: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK OF THIS ???
RE: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK OF THIS ???
This is a post ShaqEatsThat just posted, but the function to allow me to approve it doesn't seem to be working.
Me and and Xtream DID have a trade in the past the he said was "too good to be true", but he DID receive his end and so did I, so if I've done this in past and yet still have come through what is the big issue here? I told got watcha want, "If I knew you were going to bash me on the forum like that I would have just gave you the card." I got a 75 buck offer on a 80 dollar card so I took it. Okay that's messed up I guess, so just leave me bad feedback.
Secondly, I didn't leave feedback on Xtream's trade (although he def got the better of it) because HE ACTUALLY ASKED ME TO LEAVE FEEDBACK! I always have left good feedback on previous trades until he actually asked me for it. Ask the other traders.
There's been 3 trades where I held up my end and didn't receive feedback on, big deal, asking for feedback is just like begging someone for a dollar.
Xtream knows he really got the best of that deal, and he still got it, dude a $50 BV card with a SV of $5 is worth $5 not $50. So I didn't mind giving it up for him because I know he loves the Pistons, and I needed a couple of the Ewings.
I wish you can bring back the "Shilling" thread! I didn't even know what the word Shill mean until I was attacked and googled it. I didn't say "What's the best way to Shill?"
My question was, I have access to my mother's and girlfriend's accounts, how can I use them to benefit me? I had no idea I would turn into the Devil himself, I had no idea it was that big a deal, I didn't deserve to get attacked by all of you. Even when I've traded in about %75 of trades in the other trader's favor! I wanted my cards, and I got them, regardless of what I had to give up, it didn't matter!
My problem with Xtream is him taking down my youtube vids because I cursed, also him taking down my avatar after it was there for 2 months and suddenly it is obscene, but it wasn't for 2 months. Him asking me for feedback. Also he lets other people get away with things that I can't do, just because I question the little authority he thinks he may have. Only because I don't want to leave him feedback. I've given other traders feedback after trades because they didn't ask for it. He has a personal vendetta against me and I would be shocked if this post ever sees the light of day.
I still don't understand why everyone has been bashing me like this. This forum is dead and I think when something like this happens it is a reason for you guys to get all excited about it because nothing else happens.
Xtream, I will trade you your good feedback which you desperately want in exchange for you letting me post this and giving me a chance to defend myself, I am the victim here, I should be receiving something for my aggrevation.
I'm not sure what trade you're thinking of, but our trade was for less than $15.00 on either side, and no Ewings were involved. And after having received your cards, I sent many extras because I knew you gave me the better end of the deal.
I have no personal vendetta towards anyone, just a simple goal to keep this place following the TOS as that is my job as a moderator. Us moderators don't catch everything as we do not spend the entire day, as we have other jobs and some have families, inspecting every detail. This is the reason for users being able to PM us, flag posts, etc. If someone flags a post of yours, then I'll have to edit it. Someone PMed me about your avatar, so I looked at it. As a collecting community, we need to act as a community and help each other out. Shoot, look at politicians, do you think they get all of their ideas from their head? No, they get letters and emails and protests and other stuff which then leads to them making some new legislation. Same here. Us moderators can't and won't see or catch everything, and when we don't, it's on the community to inform us so that we can take care of it. Some people don't inform us because they don't know how, they don't care, or some other reason.
As for accepting offers and trades after one has already been accepted, that is a risk some are willing to take and a risk that will upset some people. If you accept a trade, or even a sale, regardless of whether the other person has sent their end or money, selling it or trading it to someone else because you received a better offer can lead to traders complaining. We aren't making a big deal of this situation because the board is dead and we need something to talk about, but if you were to compare this site to the other trading sites out there, we have fewer incidences of people scamming, stealing, or affecting any traders in a negative way.
As I had put in the thread (I believe), while you may not have known what shill bidding is per se, you were asking about an illegal act, and that's an illegal act that many people who have fallen victim to it hate. If you were to use someone's account (mothers, sisters, girlfriends, great great great great great uncle's cousin's sister's husband's mother's account) to bid on your item to help up the price, that is identity theft. People have fallen victim to people shill bidding auctions that they were going hard for (say an MJ AU) and had they not been shill bid, maybe they get the card for $300 instead of $450. That's a $150 difference. So while you may not have known, now you do.
And yes, there are red flags up about your actions currently, but that doesn't mean they can't be forgotten in time (or healed over). If you complete a trade with someone (or accept it) you should complete all parts of that trade truthfully and fully, regardless of what actions someone has done. If I complete a trade with johndoe123 and after we've traded and everything's been completed, they blast me on the forums because say there were markings on the top loaders, that wouldn't give me reason to give them negative or neutral feedback. If they gave me the item as described, packaged properly, in a proper amount of time, and had good lines of communication through the trade, then they deserve positive feedback. Also, if you complete a trade and someone leaves you negative feedback because you took two weeks too long to ship, and you received theirs right away, as described, packaged right and they communicated properly, again, they still deserve positive feedback. I hope this helps you understand that we're a very tight nit community here and take care of each other and look out for one another. I have no vendetta against you or anyone else, I'm just doing as I'm expected to do as a moderator.
Me and and Xtream DID have a trade in the past the he said was "too good to be true", but he DID receive his end and so did I, so if I've done this in past and yet still have come through what is the big issue here? I told got watcha want, "If I knew you were going to bash me on the forum like that I would have just gave you the card." I got a 75 buck offer on a 80 dollar card so I took it. Okay that's messed up I guess, so just leave me bad feedback.
Secondly, I didn't leave feedback on Xtream's trade (although he def got the better of it) because HE ACTUALLY ASKED ME TO LEAVE FEEDBACK! I always have left good feedback on previous trades until he actually asked me for it. Ask the other traders.
There's been 3 trades where I held up my end and didn't receive feedback on, big deal, asking for feedback is just like begging someone for a dollar.
Xtream knows he really got the best of that deal, and he still got it, dude a $50 BV card with a SV of $5 is worth $5 not $50. So I didn't mind giving it up for him because I know he loves the Pistons, and I needed a couple of the Ewings.
I wish you can bring back the "Shilling" thread! I didn't even know what the word Shill mean until I was attacked and googled it. I didn't say "What's the best way to Shill?"
My question was, I have access to my mother's and girlfriend's accounts, how can I use them to benefit me? I had no idea I would turn into the Devil himself, I had no idea it was that big a deal, I didn't deserve to get attacked by all of you. Even when I've traded in about %75 of trades in the other trader's favor! I wanted my cards, and I got them, regardless of what I had to give up, it didn't matter!
My problem with Xtream is him taking down my youtube vids because I cursed, also him taking down my avatar after it was there for 2 months and suddenly it is obscene, but it wasn't for 2 months. Him asking me for feedback. Also he lets other people get away with things that I can't do, just because I question the little authority he thinks he may have. Only because I don't want to leave him feedback. I've given other traders feedback after trades because they didn't ask for it. He has a personal vendetta against me and I would be shocked if this post ever sees the light of day.
I still don't understand why everyone has been bashing me like this. This forum is dead and I think when something like this happens it is a reason for you guys to get all excited about it because nothing else happens.
Xtream, I will trade you your good feedback which you desperately want in exchange for you letting me post this and giving me a chance to defend myself, I am the victim here, I should be receiving something for my aggrevation.
(10-05-2011, 02:54 PM)ShaqEatsThat Wrote: Me and and Xtream DID have a trade in the past the he said was "too good to be true", but he DID receive his end and so did I, so if I've done this in past and yet still have come through what is the big issue here? I told got watcha want, "If I knew you were going to bash me on the forum like that I would have just gave you the card." I got a 75 buck offer on a 80 dollar card so I took it. Okay that's messed up I guess, so just leave me bad feedback.As is common practice around here, if a trade has been completed and a party of the trade has not left feedback but has marked their cards received, the other party usually sends a request reminding the user to leave feedback. Do I necessarily need it, no I do not, but because you are still relatively new, I figured I'd send you a reminder as to keep you in the habit.
Secondly, I didn't leave feedback on Xtream's trade (although he def got the better of it) because HE ACTUALLY ASKED ME TO LEAVE FEEDBACK! I always have left good feedback on previous trades until he actually asked me for it. Ask the other traders.
There's been 3 trades where I held up my end and didn't receive feedback on, big deal, asking for feedback is just like begging someone for a dollar.
Xtream knows he really got the best of that deal, and he still got it, dude a $50 BV card with a SV of $5 is worth $5 not $50. So I didn't mind giving it up for him because I know he loves the Pistons, and I needed a couple of the Ewings.
I wish you can bring back the "Shilling" thread! I didn't even know what the word Shill mean until I was attacked and googled it. I didn't say "What's the best way to Shill?"
My question was, I have access to my mother's and girlfriend's accounts, how can I use them to benefit me? I had no idea I would turn into the Devil himself, I had no idea it was that big a deal, I didn't deserve to get attacked by all of you. Even when I've traded in about %75 of trades in the other trader's favor! I wanted my cards, and I got them, regardless of what I had to give up, it didn't matter!
My problem with Xtream is him taking down my youtube vids because I cursed, also him taking down my avatar after it was there for 2 months and suddenly it is obscene, but it wasn't for 2 months. Him asking me for feedback. Also he lets other people get away with things that I can't do, just because I question the little authority he thinks he may have. Only because I don't want to leave him feedback. I've given other traders feedback after trades because they didn't ask for it. He has a personal vendetta against me and I would be shocked if this post ever sees the light of day.
I still don't understand why everyone has been bashing me like this. This forum is dead and I think when something like this happens it is a reason for you guys to get all excited about it because nothing else happens.
Xtream, I will trade you your good feedback which you desperately want in exchange for you letting me post this and giving me a chance to defend myself, I am the victim here, I should be receiving something for my aggrevation.
I'm not sure what trade you're thinking of, but our trade was for less than $15.00 on either side, and no Ewings were involved. And after having received your cards, I sent many extras because I knew you gave me the better end of the deal.
I have no personal vendetta towards anyone, just a simple goal to keep this place following the TOS as that is my job as a moderator. Us moderators don't catch everything as we do not spend the entire day, as we have other jobs and some have families, inspecting every detail. This is the reason for users being able to PM us, flag posts, etc. If someone flags a post of yours, then I'll have to edit it. Someone PMed me about your avatar, so I looked at it. As a collecting community, we need to act as a community and help each other out. Shoot, look at politicians, do you think they get all of their ideas from their head? No, they get letters and emails and protests and other stuff which then leads to them making some new legislation. Same here. Us moderators can't and won't see or catch everything, and when we don't, it's on the community to inform us so that we can take care of it. Some people don't inform us because they don't know how, they don't care, or some other reason.
As for accepting offers and trades after one has already been accepted, that is a risk some are willing to take and a risk that will upset some people. If you accept a trade, or even a sale, regardless of whether the other person has sent their end or money, selling it or trading it to someone else because you received a better offer can lead to traders complaining. We aren't making a big deal of this situation because the board is dead and we need something to talk about, but if you were to compare this site to the other trading sites out there, we have fewer incidences of people scamming, stealing, or affecting any traders in a negative way.
As I had put in the thread (I believe), while you may not have known what shill bidding is per se, you were asking about an illegal act, and that's an illegal act that many people who have fallen victim to it hate. If you were to use someone's account (mothers, sisters, girlfriends, great great great great great uncle's cousin's sister's husband's mother's account) to bid on your item to help up the price, that is identity theft. People have fallen victim to people shill bidding auctions that they were going hard for (say an MJ AU) and had they not been shill bid, maybe they get the card for $300 instead of $450. That's a $150 difference. So while you may not have known, now you do.
And yes, there are red flags up about your actions currently, but that doesn't mean they can't be forgotten in time (or healed over). If you complete a trade with someone (or accept it) you should complete all parts of that trade truthfully and fully, regardless of what actions someone has done. If I complete a trade with johndoe123 and after we've traded and everything's been completed, they blast me on the forums because say there were markings on the top loaders, that wouldn't give me reason to give them negative or neutral feedback. If they gave me the item as described, packaged properly, in a proper amount of time, and had good lines of communication through the trade, then they deserve positive feedback. Also, if you complete a trade and someone leaves you negative feedback because you took two weeks too long to ship, and you received theirs right away, as described, packaged right and they communicated properly, again, they still deserve positive feedback. I hope this helps you understand that we're a very tight nit community here and take care of each other and look out for one another. I have no vendetta against you or anyone else, I'm just doing as I'm expected to do as a moderator.
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