i think you are mistaking what i am saying. please see my first post. i am not arguing whther he is a hall of famer or not. i am simply saying that using stats - and im a huge believer in sabermetrics - doesnt always fully paint the picture
anyone who was old enough to watch baseball in the 80's that hack morris was a far superior pitcher to any of the guys you just listed. gooden was incredible for a couple seasons, but then...coke. also, started in 1985. fernando only had a couple of plus seasons. saberhagen didnt come into the league until 84, and was notorious for being the "proto-beckett" (every-other yer pitcher). additionally, most of the guys you listed were NL guys.
how many pitchers who pitched in the AL, post DH, have been elected to the HOF?
none
im not arguing whether morris was a hof'er - i think he is borderline, at best. i think using just stats is silly
anyone who was old enough to watch baseball in the 80's that hack morris was a far superior pitcher to any of the guys you just listed. gooden was incredible for a couple seasons, but then...coke. also, started in 1985. fernando only had a couple of plus seasons. saberhagen didnt come into the league until 84, and was notorious for being the "proto-beckett" (every-other yer pitcher). additionally, most of the guys you listed were NL guys.
how many pitchers who pitched in the AL, post DH, have been elected to the HOF?
none
im not arguing whether morris was a hof'er - i think he is borderline, at best. i think using just stats is silly