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Jordan BMOC & BMOC Z peat FAKES being GRADED????
05-23-2014, 09:58 AM
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Jordan BMOC & BMOC Z peat FAKES being GRADED????
I posted this in the grading area....
Thought you guys would like this info too...


Can someone from BECKETT please explain to me how a card like a MJ BMOC and BMOC Z Peat, goes from pop 2 in 9.5 (Z Peat) to pop 13 in a matter of months?

And the Recent Boom with normal BMOC in Graded LOTS would also show the same issue...

And also the FACT that everyone of these cards is coming from Taiwan?

Has Beckett been made aware there might be in issue with these cards being Forged?

Or does Beckett math not equate to (1 + 1 = 2)


Below is a sample:

Graded 04/07/2014

8074209 Big Men 9.5
8074210 Big Men 9.5
8074211 Big Men 9.0
8074212 Big Men 9.0
8074213 Big Men Z-Peat 9.0
8074214 Big Men Z-Peat 9.5
8074215 Big Men Z-Peat 9.5

Graded 05/09/2014
8124301 Big Men 9.0
8124302 Big Men 9.0
8124303 Big Men 9.5
8124304 Big Men Z-Peat 9.0
8124305 Big Men Z-Peat 8.0


Graded 05/12/2014
8134666 Big Men 9.0
8134667 Big Men 9.5
8134668 Big Men Z-Peat 9.5
8134669 Big Men Z-Peat 9.5
8134670 Big Men Z-Peat 9.5


Graded 05/20/2014
8148181 Big Men 9.5
8148182 Big Men 9.5
8148183 Big Men Z-Peat 9.0
8148184 Big Men Z-Peat 9.0

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05-23-2014, 11:57 AM
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RE: Jordan BMOC & BMOC Z peat FAKES being GRADED????
Man. Tough to believe that's coincidence. It's possible somebody has been steadily buying up raw ones to grade, but since almost every grade is 9+ that's tough to believe too.

Hasn't something similar been happening to the high-dollar 86-87 Fleer cards, including the MJ RC, in recent months? Somebody's gotta figure this out.

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05-23-2014, 07:05 PM
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RE: Jordan BMOC & BMOC Z peat FAKES being GRADED????
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-1...2ed21f16dc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-1...4ad59139d4

I think you can safely assume that your fears are correct.
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05-25-2014, 09:16 AM
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RE: Jordan BMOC & BMOC Z peat FAKES being GRADED????
(05-23-2014 07:05 PM)freudinio Wrote:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-1...2ed21f16dc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-1...4ad59139d4

I think you can safely assume that your fears are correct.

how did the zpeat get a 9.5? look at the N and T how butchered the cut is compared to the regular version!!

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05-27-2014, 05:05 PM
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RE: Jordan BMOC & BMOC Z peat FAKES being GRADED????
It is tough to believe its a coindence and alot have graded recently, especially for a card with such high odds, but it seems farfetched that Beckett would grade fakes sent to them and not spot the issue right away. I just won a z-peat graded 9 through an auction sometime in early April and it looks legit. When you look at the POP report theres still only 23 in 9 and slightly over 10 in 9.5. Not exactly a large amount.
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05-27-2014, 05:14 PM
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RE: Jordan BMOC & BMOC Z peat FAKES being GRADED????
There is another 9.5 just listed on ebay. Guess where it's from???
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05-28-2014, 05:56 PM
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RE: Jordan BMOC & BMOC Z peat FAKES being GRADED????
That's not a shock really, sad but true- counterfeiting is rampant in all industries in China. But one would hope Beckett grading would be able to spot it in the analysis. Ugh, it just makes it tougher to know what to trust.

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06-05-2014, 07:15 PM
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RE: Jordan BMOC & BMOC Z peat FAKES being GRADED????
I recently purchased one of the ungraded Z-Peats from lan.3 out of Taiwan and in MY OPINION it is definitely fake/counterfeit. I also own a BGS 8.5 David Robinson and the card appears to have a shimmer/refractor type finish that the Robinson doesn't. In addition when viewed at a high angle the surface of the card is extremely rough. I will follow this post with a picture comparison, I have also emailed lan.3 and will reply with their response. Sad and pathetic really if truly fake.

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06-08-2014, 10:54 AM
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RE: Jordan BMOC & BMOC Z peat FAKES being GRADED????
While this is hardly conclusive because I'm not comparing a Jordan Z-Peat to a Jordan Z-Peat I'd be curious to hear opinions.

The first thing that popped out to me was the surface roughness on the Jordan. My opinion is also that the font is a little different for the Z Peat and the Skybox. The big "Z" color is different but that is different per player but the actual amount of color inside the "Z" appears different on the horizontal areas as well.

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06-08-2014, 11:27 AM
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RE: Jordan BMOC & BMOC Z peat FAKES being GRADED????
here's my thoughts...

the MJ Z peats ALL have near perfect LASER-CUT edges, that in itself is BS, the original cards were cut with a die-cut press, these NEW ones are obviously cut with a laser cutter and you can tell it's done that way because of the lack of 2 points meeting in the cards that normally leave a little tab.

Also there are PLENTY of NEW ones out there that have wavy edges, that would never happen if they were cut with a die-cut press.

The surface of the Taiwanese cards are different but only on one angle that's almost impossible to pick up on unless you have 2 side by side to look at and they need to be out of a BGS case to see it, the texture across the front of the card is wavy and is uniform even under the Z peat stamp, which isn't how the original stamp looks at all.

The measurement of the NEW Taiwanese cards are incorrect, the black border around the card matches the OVERALL size of the correct card, but if you measure the gold to gold edge on the front, the size on the new cards are too SMALL!!!

They obviously copied the OVERALL size right but didn't get the gold to gold correct and made up for it in with a thicker black border area...

The gold lettering on the Z Peat stamp is slightly too gold and should have LESS color.


Same goes for the regular BMOC, the surface with the wavy texture, the edges are too clean and are obviously laser cut, the BMOC stamp has the waves under it and is also too gold....

Also both cards have issues with the color of MJ's skin being too dark, the ball has LESS detail...






ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO TEACH BECKETT ON HOW TO SPOT A FAKE????????????????????

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