[chevyfan2k9]

anyone have any info on these? beckett list them as #d/1999 and mine are not numbered its card #105,lmk




jack

[jacobystealshome]

sounds like a backdoor fleer bankruptcy card

[chevyfan2k9]

thats what i was thinking so do i go by the beckett bv on these or are they worth more

[djohn]

It was probably a replacement card that they kept in case someone got a damaged one. They don't serial number them until the damaged card arrives and then they use the same serial number as the damaged card. Lots of similar non-serial numbered cards made it out after the Fleer bankruptcy. As per value, I am not sure but you should be able to get pretty close to the same as the serial numbered version.

[jacobystealshome]

value would be substantially less for most collectors- it's not the real mccoy.

[djohn]

value would be substantially less for most collectors- it's not the real mccoy.

If it was a 2002 or any other year I would agree with you. However it is a rookie year card of Ichiro. Sure it didn't come from a pack and it isn't serial numbered, but it is essentially the same card. Not to mention that it is in fact rarer than the serial numbered rookie. I find it funny that Topps sells their old "proof" cards and other crap directly on eBay via Topps Vault, and people pay premiums for the cards. Yet some people feel that similar cards from Fleer that were sold at their bankruptcy auction are seen as lesser than their packed out counterparts simply because the cards came from a bankruptcy auction. If the card in question was a non-serial numbered 2001 Topps Gold parallel of Ichiro from Topps Vault I bet it's value would be considered several times that of the serial numbered version.

[jacobystealshome]

topps vault cards sell for around the same prices as print plates, or less

but facts are facts - the market on fleer's bankruptcy cards are really low, no matter what they are

a non-numbered ichiro, marketed honestly, would sell for around half the regular card

[djohn]

a non-numbered ichiro, marketed honestly, would sell for around half the regular card

As I said I would agree with you for any other year Ichiro, however this is his rookie card. I truly believe it would sell for a lot closer to what the regular card sells for and maybe even more given the right buyer.

[chevyfan2k9]

thanks guys, i have 4 of these rc's of him that i picked up at a local card show so i think i go what beckett list the ones #d/1999 and go from there