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Did steroids in baseball start with the Big Red Machine?
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RE: Did steroids in baseball start with the Big Red Machine?
What's your point? Some pitchers age well?

Pitching has always aged better than hitting.

I'm getting at the overall point that power in general diminishes after players hit their early 30s. Sure some guys can have a bounce back year later in their career, but not sustained like they did earlier in their careers.

Great Examples:
E.Mathews- 9 30+ HR seasons before the age of 30, after 1 season
M.Mantle- 7 30+ HR seasons before 30, 2 30+ after (age 30, 32)
Mel Ott - 7 30+ HR seasons before 30, 1 after (age 33)
Jimmy Foxx 9 30+ HR seasons before 30, 3 after
Ted Williams 5 30+ HR seasons before 30 (lost 3 of those years to the war), 3 30+ HR seasons after

The exceptions to the trends are the guys you would expect. Ruth, Aaron, Mays all had at least 5 30+ HR seasons after 30. ie they sustained their power longer to become the best 3 HR hitters ever. They break all the rules, because they are the 3 best of all time.

What about todays power hitters?
Sheffield 2 30+ HR season before 30, 6 after 30
Bonds 4 30+ HR seasons before 30, 10 after 30
Mcgwire 5 before 30, 7 after 30
Sosa 5 before 30, 6 after 30.
Palmeiro 5 before 30, 6 after 30.

The exceptions to the steroid era trend are:
Griffey 6 before 30, 3 after
Thomas 6 before 30, 3 after

Thome is a guy that hit has sustained power, but it's hard to get a trend due to all of his injuries.

Arod's already got 5+ 30+ seasons from the time he was 30 on. We all know his story.

This isn't to say that hitters over 30 that hit more than 30 HR in a season use steroids. It's more saying when a players sustains it and hits more HR year after year after 30 than before, the only examples are in the "steroid era."







(01-01-2012, 08:17 PM)wmrklemm78 Wrote: Warren Spahn recorded 187 of his 363 wins after he was 35, including six straight seasons of 20 or more wins after he turned 35... red flag.

Jamie Moyer... red flag.

Phil Niekro... red flag

Tommy John... red flag

No one has ever accused anyone above from being on steroids and/or HGH, etc... They were all better AFTER turning 35... an anomaly.



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RE: Did steroids in baseball start with the Big Red Machine? - by dbauer2 - 01-01-2012, 09:18 PM

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