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The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - jacksoncoupage - 03-17-2008
TNP777 Wrote:Got a question about the '95 Stadium Club TransActions color variation. In the list on the first page, it says there are a minimum of four color variations. Has anyone arrived at a maximum number of variations? Because of all the colors used, couldn't that number be pretty big?
Yes I noticed this when I was pulling those Butlers. Not only are the "titles" available in multiple colors, the TSC comes in multiple colors. I have found either 6 or 7 different variations for the "title" and at least 4 different for the TSC logo, so it's safe to say that at least 28 combinations should exist. This one still needs more research. When pulling Butler, since this shop had so much of these cards, I pulled other players to see the max amount of one player possible and Frank Thomas came to either 6 or 7 titles and 4 TSCs.
The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - TNP777 - 03-18-2008
jacksoncoupage Wrote:A couple weeks ago, I went to my "local" card shop...
I'm assuming this card shop is in Portland. Which one is it? I was up in Astoria in Feb 07 visiting my dad and drove into the city to meet a collecting friend. We ended up finding this shop that was just across the river from Vancouver. I know that doesn't exactly give a great description - wish I could remember the street. I do know this guy had quite a bit of off-grade vintage, which was the main reason we stopped there. At any rate, I'll most likely be driving up sometime later this year and would like to maybe check this shop out.
Thanks again for taking the time to find these great Butlers!
Geordie
edit - I did a little Google research. I'm thinking the shop we visited was Sports Cards & More on SE Stark. There was a picture of the store on Google Maps that looked kinda familiar.
The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - jacksoncoupage - 03-18-2008
TNP777 Wrote:jacksoncoupage Wrote:A couple weeks ago, I went to my "local" card shop...
I'm assuming this card shop is in Portland. Which one is it? I was up in Astoria in Feb 07 visiting my dad and drove into the city to meet a collecting friend. We ended up finding this shop that was just across the river from Vancouver. I know that doesn't exactly give a great description - wish I could remember the street. I do know this guy had quite a bit of off-grade vintage, which was the main reason we stopped there. At any rate, I'll most likely be driving up sometime later this year and would like to maybe check this shop out.
Thanks again for taking the time to find these great Butlers!
Geordie
edit - I did a little Google research. I'm thinking the shop we visited was Sports Cards & More on SE Stark. There was a picture of the store on Google Maps that looked kinda familiar.
That's the one! It's one of those places where you can pick up a box at random off a counter (or to get through a passageway!) and always find something you want/wanted/didn't-know-you-wanted-previously.
Where is this off-grade vintage guy located? I can always use some off-grade vintage.
The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - onionring9 - 03-19-2008
Got a couple more for you guys.
First one was noticed by a guy on thebench. The logos on the back of the '99 century legends come in two variations:
![[Image: 99udcl.jpg]](http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i309/onionring9/cards/99udcl.jpg)
Second, the '94 UD SP have two different variation prints on the holograms, vertical and horizontal:
![[Image: 94sp.jpg]](http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i309/onionring9/cards/94sp.jpg)
The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - 011873 - 03-19-2008
[quote=onionring9]Got a couple more for you guys.
First one was noticed by a guy on thebench. The logos on the back of the '99 century legends come in two variations:
Since this product came oput, Ive been wondering why my Mac has a foil logo. No one has even been able to to explain it. Is he the only player with this variation?
The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - onionring9 - 03-19-2008
011873 Wrote:Since this product came oput, Ive been wondering why my Mac has a foil logo. No one has even been able to to explain it. Is he the only player with this variation?
No he isn't. Towards the bottom of this thread on the bench you'll see a Castilla version as well
http://www.thebenchtrading.com/thebench/showthread.php?t=140630&highlight=mcgwire
I am not certain but I am assuming this is a widespread print variation. I've already found 2 more of McGwire on ebay in less than a week.
The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - ltruglio - 03-25-2008
Shezdoni Wrote:jacksoncoupage Wrote:RE: 2004 Topps "53 years" variations
It's kind of odd how all the examples above (except B. Anderson) are pre-posed shots. I am going to a shop today and I'm going to see if I can locate any of these. Very interesting variation, I wonder if it affects every card or just the pre-posed ones?
I recall when I opened these in 2004 They were averaging about 1 per box, it was only in series 2 though, I haven't found any in series 1.
I originally thought that maybe a sheet that was supposed to be made into the gold cards somehow escaped the gold foil coating, but considering the numbering on the cards, it couldn't have just been one sheet
Lee #383,
Daubach #435
Lidle #528
fox #543
Everett #566
Anderson #627
![[Image: arodtr.jpg]](http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k228/SevenCostanza_bucket/arodtr.jpg)
These A-Rod's are from the 2004 Topps Traded series. Neither the Chrome nor the Base have the "53 Years of Collecting" on them, but the Gold parallel does. Would this be part of the variations you guys are talking about, or was this on all gold parallels?
Thanks a lot for your help, and I must say this thread is great!
The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - darthtampon - 03-27-2008
mentioned in a recent thread. Thought I would bring it back to life.
The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - HawkHOF - 04-02-2008
I have just sorted thru my 1990 Bowman and have found several 1st print / 2nd print variations. The first prints were obtained in a factory set while the second prints were from wax and cello packs. Most of the variations were airbrushes of uniforms or sky and there are several key RCs and stars. Here is the list, I would like to know if anyone has others that are not on this list that I can confirm (aside from the Segui and Cunningham variations). Thanks
Player 1st print (2nd print)
8 Charlie Liebrandt Dark top of sky (Light top of sky)
18 Jim Presley Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
66 Danny Darwin Dark sky (Light sky)
77 Andujar Cedeno Dark top of sky (Light top of sky)
78 Craig Biggio Dark sky ( Light sky)
95 Alfredo Griffin Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
99 Kal Daniels Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
100 Hubie Brooks Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
101 Eddie Murray Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
115 Marquis Grissom Dark sky (Light sky)
142 Todd Hundley Light sky (Dark sky)
145 Steve Ontiveros Dark sky (Light sky)
147 Ken Howell Dark sky ( Light sky)
148 Pat Combs Dark sky (Light sky)
149 Jeff Parrett Dark sky (Light sky)
155 Dickie Thon Dark sky (Light sky)
165 Walt Terrell Light black jersey (Dark black jersey)
166 Bill Landrum Dark sky / Light black jersey (Light sky / Dark black jersey)
167 Scott Ruskin Dark sky (Light sky)
168 Bob Patterson Light black jersey (Dark black jersey)
175 Sid Bream Light black jersey ( Dark black jersey)
176 Tom Prince Light black jersey (Dark black jersey)
178 Moises Alou Light black jersey (Dark black jersey)
188 John Tudor Dark pants ( Light pants)
207 Andy Benes All stripes complete (Some stripes incomplete / missing)
226 Steve Bedrosian Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
234 Bill Bathe Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
235 Tony Perezchica Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
236 Gary Carter Dark sky (Light sky)
238 Matt Williams Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
240 Kevin Bass Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
264 Mike Boddicker Dark sky / Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Light sky / Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
271 Tony Pena Dark sky (Light sky)
286 Mike Fetters Dark sky ( Light sky)
290 Gary Disarcina Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
298 Bobby Rose Dark sky (Light sky)
304 Eric King Blue tint to bench and sign (White bench and sign)
308 Scott Radinsky Dark sky (Light sky)
311 Robin Ventura Dark sky (Light sky)
312 Sammy Sosa Dark sky / Grey jersey / wrinkles (Light sky / Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
324 Tom Candiotti Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
325 Greg Swindell Dark green background (Light green background)
330 Kevin Bearse Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
335 Candy Maldonado Dark sky (Light sky)
337 Sandy Alomar Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
338 Mark Lewis Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
340 Chris James Dark sky (Light sky)
342 Keith Hernandez Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
344 Scott Aldred Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
345 Mike Henneman Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
346 Steve Wopnicks Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
348 Eric Stowe Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
349 Brian DuBois Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
350 Kevin Ritz Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
351 Rico Brogna Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
354 Chet Lemon Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
356 Lou Whitaker Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
357 Cecil Fielder Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
358 Milt Cuyler Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
361 Ed Romero Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
362 Lloyd Moseby Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
363 Mark Gubicza More folds / wrinkles ( Less folds / wrinkles)
368 Storm Davis More folds / wrinkles ( Less folds / wrinkles)
369 Mark Davis More folds / wrinkles ( Less folds / wrinkles)
377 Bill Pecota More folds / wrinkles (Less folds / wrinkles)
384 Teddy Higuera Dark sky (Light sky)
388 Jaime Navarro Dark sky / wrinkles (Light sky / less wrinkles)
391 Gary Sheffield Dark sky (Light sky)
395 Greg Brock All stripes complete (Some stripes incomplete / missing)
397 Darryl Hamilton All stripes complete (Some stripes incomplete / missing)
398 Dave Parker Dark sky / All stripes complete ( Light sky / Some stripes incomplete)
401 Rob Deer Dark sky / All stripes complete (Light sky / Some stripes incomplete)
402 Billy Spiers Dark sky ( Light sky)
403 Glenn Braggs All stripes complete (Some stripes incomplete / missing)
405 Rick Aguilera All stripes complete ( Some stripes incomplete / missing)
408 Park Pittman All stripes complete (Some stripes incomplete / missing)
411 Willie Banks All stripes complete (Some stripes incomplete / missing)
412 Rich Yett Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
413 Dave West Grey jersey / All stripes complete (White jersey / Some stripes incomplete / missing)
414 Greg Gagne More folds / wrinkles ( Less folds / wrinkles)
417 Gary Gaetti All stripes complete (Some stripes incomplete / missing)
419 Al Newman All stripes complete (Some stripes incomplete / missing)
421 Paul Sorrento All stripes complete (Some stripes incomplete / missing)
424 Kirby Puckett All stripes complete (Some stripes incomplete / missing)
425 Willie Smith All stripes complete (Some stripes incomplete / missing)
428 Alan Mills Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
432 Dave Winfield All stripes complete (Some stripes incomplete / missing)
457 Rickey Henderson Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
474 Omar Vizquel All stripes complete ( Some stripes incomplete / missing)
478 Pete O'Brien Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
486 Nolan Ryan Dark sky / Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Light sky / Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
487 Robb Nen Dark sky / Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Light sky / Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
489 Brian Bohanon Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
492 Juan Gonzalez Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
494 Scott Coolbaugh Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
498 Gary Pettis Grey jersey / wrinkles (Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
503 Jack Daugherty Grey jersey / wrinkles ( Lighter jersey / less wrinkles)
504 Willie Blair Dark sky (Light sky)
506 Tom Henke Dark top of sky ( Light top of sky)
The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - onionring9 - 04-02-2008
Here's another of the * and * * variations which isn't on the list that I just found:
![[Image: w_1988--topps--rcs--2_stars.jpg]](http://www.joering.com/mcgwire/images/w_1988--topps--rcs--2_stars.jpg)
![[Image: w_1988--topps--commemorative_rookies.jpg]](http://www.joering.com/mcgwire/images/w_1988--topps--commemorative_rookies.jpg)