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The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - jacksoncoupage - 02-23-2008

Here is the best scan I could get of the three different (confirmed) 1991 Upper Deck hologram types.

[Image: ocb-holo-vars.jpg]

The top card is the "1990 UD Baseball" hologram type. Behind the "Upper Deck" lettering is a pattern of baseballs.

The middle card is the "1990-91 UD Hockey" hologram type. Behind the "Upper Deck" lettering is a pattern of "90" and crossed hockey sticks.

The bottom card is the "1991 UD Baseball" hologram type. A consistent pattern of 1991 on the holo. This is the most common version and presumably the intended type.

It's possible that another hologram type exists. I remember an ebay seller years ago used to make pairs of the 1991 UD NFL cards and I seem to remember there being a distinct football holo type.

After sorting through 3 3200s of this product, I found just a small sampling of each "error" type with the majority being the appropriate 1991 type.

Another thing of interest is that I found a Jeff Bagwell (Hi #) that has the "1990 UD Baseball" hologram on it. I had previously been under the impression that this was corrected early on in the low series run but it obviously has affected the hi # cards. Whether or not the "1990-91 NHL" version is available on hi # cards remains to be seen.


The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - TNP777 - 02-23-2008

jacksoncoupage Wrote:To: Onionring and any other 1988-1990 Topps stickers experts:

I just broke 5 boxes of 1990 stickers (240 little packs...) and noticed some unusual stuff:

-Several AL players including Canseco and McGwire seem to be found with light and dark blue names.

-The players with red names can be found in straight magenta-red and in magenta/yellow-red. These two different types come in the same pack sometimes.

-Craig Biggio is the only blue background (NL) player who has a blue name. Can anyone confirm a corrected RED name version?

-Some players are far less available than others. Here is a small sampling of quantities (in super-star cardbacks) I pulled:

----Cal Ripken x12 (121/262 x4, 168/223 x5, 162 x1, 90 x2)
----Nolan Ryan x28 (116/213 x7, 95/229 x2, 264 x7, 134 x11, 154 x1)
----Don Mattingly x30 (10/236 x10, 54/239 x5, 92 x9, 53/194 x2, 151 x4)
----Doc Gooden x23 (57 x10, 121/262 x10, 198 x3)
----Will Clark x14 (163 x3, 16/255 x5, 172/317 x6)
----Mark McGwire x28 (116/213 x12, 35 x7, 123 x6, 113/203 x2 156 x1)
----Jose Canseco x16 (137/318 x11, 94/311 x4, 81/247 x1)
----Ken Griffey Jr x17 (1/321 x10, 28/269 x3, 15/298 x2, 146 x2)
----Howard Hohnson x26 (39/293 x10, 10/236 x7, 275 x5, 7/230 x2, 145 x2)
----Steve Sax x17 (244 x8, 266 x6, 81/247 x2, 164 x1)

I noticed that each of the above players that had no more than 3 foil-sticker backs in their count, often just 1 or 2 copies of the foil backed versions per player compared to the 6+ of the dual-player sticker backs.

Is there anything else I should be looking for? Are there even more combinations for some of these guys than I have listed? Am I right to think that some of these players/stickers were produced in smaller supply?

Thanks in advance for your help, this set is worse than 1998 Tek!

Long work day, so I'm coming to the party late again. Thought I'd show what I've got for '88 & '89 Topps Butler stickers with different back combinations:

1988 Topps
[Image: toppsstickers88hernandez_F212.jpg] [Image: toppsstickers88virgil_B212.jpg] [Image: toppsstickers88murphy_B212.jpg] [Image: toppsstickers88hernandez_B212.jpg] [Image: toppsstickers88mcgwire_B212.jpg]

1989 Topps
[Image: toppsstickers89clark_F85.jpg] [Image: toppsstickers89sandberg_B85.jpg] [Image: toppsstickers89gaetti_B85.jpg] [Image: toppsstickers89ripken_B85.jpg] [Image: toppsstickers89clark_B85.jpg]


The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - TNP777 - 02-23-2008

jackson - regarding those '90 sticker boxes - did you happen to pull any #87 Butlers with anything other than a Wade Boggs back?




The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - jacksoncoupage - 02-23-2008

radarblip Wrote:Thrill, thanks for the new images. I thought, when looking at the overlaping pic that the card that you are saying is cropped was just a slightly larger image(1-2% larger). Now that I can compair them seperated, it looks as though the foil is just moved. Probably has to do with the feeding machine not grabbing every sheet the same way.

Onion, the greenwell is definately two different settings. The first photo might even be a proof setting. The background image was brought into focus in pic 2. The foil was probably tracking on the background image.

Onion again, the Bowman McGwire cards. I don't believe these are airbrushed. Its a seperate printing and the contrast was brought up and the image was slightly reduced in size making a sharper image.

All is just my opinion...Mel

The card has different photo croppings. It isn't due to the foil being moved. I just received my uncut sheet of 1992 Bowman (unfoiled) foil players and most players appear on both groups (there are 2 separate groupings per sheet) with some only appearing on one or the other group (these are the cards that used to carry the SP designation in the beckett years ago). Since these sheets are pre-foiling treatment I can see the images perfectly and they are indeed two separate croppings.

I am not sure about the 1990 Bowman McGwire but there was two different printings that year. I have over 50 different variations that clearly involve airbrushing of buttons, folds, light posts, clouds and even uniform color. There is a scan of the Matt Williams uniform airbrushing a page or two back.



The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - TNP777 - 02-23-2008

OPC Sticker Variations:

1988 (with a blank back to boot)
[Image: OPCS88BB_F212.jpg] [Image: OPCS88DMB_B212.jpg] [Image: OPCS88MLB_B212.jpg] [Image: OPCS88BB_B212.jpg]

1989
[Image: OPCS89BBB_F85.jpg] [Image: OPCS89BBB_B85.jpg] [Image: OPCS89CRJB_B85.jpg]



The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - jacksoncoupage - 02-23-2008

TNP777 Wrote:jackson - regarding those '90 sticker boxes - did you happen to pull any #87 Butlers with anything other than a Wade Boggs back?

I will check on that for you. Did you read my post above on the 1991 UD Holo variations? Butler was in low and hi right? He may have a holo variation in the hi set too. Oh and is he in 1995 Stadium Club transactions subset? If so, how many different foil colors do you have?

The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - TNP777 - 02-23-2008

jacksoncoupage Wrote:
TNP777 Wrote:jackson - regarding those '90 sticker boxes - did you happen to pull any #87 Butlers with anything other than a Wade Boggs back?

I will check on that for you. Did you read my post above on the 1991 UD Holo variations? Butler was in low and hi right? He may have a holo variation in the hi set too. Oh and is he in 1995 Stadium Club transactions subset? If so, how many different foil colors do you have?

Correct, Butler was in the high and low series. I've got very few dupes for either and didn't see anything unusual. As far as '95 SC Transactions, yes he is, but I've only got a single color. There are up to four, right?



The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - jacksoncoupage - 02-23-2008

TNP777 Wrote:
jacksoncoupage Wrote:
TNP777 Wrote:jackson - regarding those '90 sticker boxes - did you happen to pull any #87 Butlers with anything other than a Wade Boggs back?

I will check on that for you. Did you read my post above on the 1991 UD Holo variations? Butler was in low and hi right? He may have a holo variation in the hi set too. Oh and is he in 1995 Stadium Club transactions subset? If so, how many different foil colors do you have?

Correct, Butler was in the high and low series. I've got very few dupes for either and didn't see anything unusual. As far as '95 SC Transactions, yes he is, but I've only got a single color. There are up to four, right?

The most I have seen at once is four different color varieties but I was curious if you knew of any more.

The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - tommydale1 - 02-23-2008

Jackson,

Did you get my PM about the 1995 Stadium Club subset foil variation? I think it was called"Trans Action"...one version was silver foil...and the other had rainbow metallic foil. I'll look for a scan.

The official BMB Error & Variation discussion and reference thread! - jacksoncoupage - 02-23-2008

tommydale1 Wrote:Jackson,

Did you get my PM about the 1995 Stadium Club subset foil variation? I think it was called"Trans Action"...one version was silver foil...and the other had rainbow metallic foil. I'll look for a scan.

Yes I did and I added it to the front page list of variations. We were just discussing these cards. I know that at least four different varieties exist and was wondering if anyone had enough of any player to catch a fifth. They also affect the Extreme Corps cards.