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What's up with high end? - card_fiend2013 - 09-25-2015
I lost A LOT of money today on 2 high end boxes. NOT HAPPY. Headed to my lcs and bought 1 box of Museum Collection and one box of Triple Threads. TT box was ok (though pricing isn't out yet), though I still think I lost $. MC box was just awful. Not a single pull worth more than $15-20 AT THE MOST.
Am I the only one here annoyed at spending over $200 on ONE box of product and getting MAYBE 30-50% of my money back?? Previous boxes of MC have been pretty good to me, and I am building a base set (about 50% there so far).
I think I may be done with high end product for a while. There just seems to be minimal value to 70-90% of the cards in these boxes for the price paid. I expect to at least break even when spending this kind of serious $ on a box. I DO NOT want to see something loaded w/ memorabilia cards and junk autos, the majority of which are in the $8-20 range at best.
What are your thoughts on high end boxes? Worth it or not? Not enough "bang for the buck"?
Methinks I'm buying Bowman, Bowman chrome, Bowman platinum, Topps, Topps chrome, and Finest from now on. Meh to everything else. WAY OVERPRICED!!!!
RE: What's up with high end? - Hofcollector - 09-25-2015
You think you should break even on every high end box? That's just not realistic. Your not breaking even on every low end box either. Not even close. I HATE when I buy a high end box and end up getting skunked but that's the way it is. It's a gamble. Your chances of breaking even when buying one box of a particular product are extremely low. Best bet is to save up and buy multiple from the same case. Far better odds. I get a kick out of people thinking buying box after box of low end is the way to go and that somehow this will better their collection. If that's what your into that's cool with me but to think your ending up on the plus side by doing this is crazy. A bad box of high end is better than a good box of low end. And a bad box of low end? Ugh. If you go out and buy a box of Bowman Chrome Jumbo, what's that run? $120-$150? Suppose you pull 5 $8-$12 auto's like I have. How's that any better than opening a high end box where even the base cards are worth money? Your left with an enormous stack of cards that aren't worth a thing. Now multiply that buy 5, 10 or ...
All I'm saying is they're not all winners. Can't be. Otherwise we'd all be millionaires. I know it's discouraging but it's only 2 boxes.
Btw, they're not making Platinum anymore.
RE: What's up with high end? - pjrussell529 - 09-25-2015
First off I will say I do not buy a ton of high end. Maybe 5 or 6 a year. So I'm no expert.
Now I enjoy going to the casino every month or so(the Ohio River has some pretty nice casinos). Sometimes I walk out with money and most of the time I don't. However I have fun everytime I go. But when I hit a big pot I am jacked. When I lose I still go back the next month. The same can be said with buying wax especially high end.
Now I may be in the minority but I don't really sell or flip(I probably should to help pay for my gambling) I just collect and trade locally(I don't trust the PO). I don't really get upset with bad boxes because I know the next one may have something special. Case in point, this year I bought 2 boxes of Bowman jumbo and basically got nothing great. This could have put me off but I decided to get 2 more. In the next 2 I pulled Pederson, Buxton/Gordon, & Severino autos along with 3 others I don't remember.
I know it's a lot of money but they are really nice cards and you just never know what you might pull.
Just remember everyones had their share of wins and loses.
RE: What's up with high end? - chrisa19978 - 09-25-2015
Why buy a boxes when you can just buy what you want on ebay or any of the other sites. You still might not get your money back if you buy a case. I am done with pack and I have been for years spent a ton of money and got a ton of cards I didn't want that just sit around and collect dust till I give to goodwill or list them on ebay. Not worth the time and effort and I can tell you I have taken a loss on lots of cases and boxes I have bought. If your looking for that crazy expensive card by buying a box it's just like buying a lottery ticket. So complaining is not going to do nothing for you just stop buying boxes unless you are doing it for the thrill of hoping for that rare expensive card.
RE: What's up with high end? - BGS_Graded_Card_Guy - 09-25-2015
(09-25-2015, 09:31 PM)chrisa19978 Wrote: Why buy a boxes when you can just buy what you want on ebay or any of the other sites. You still might not get your money back if you buy a case. I am done with pack and I have been for years spent a ton of money and got a ton of cards I didn't want that just sit around and collect dust till I give to goodwill or list them on ebay. Not worth the time and effort and I can tell you I have taken a loss on lots of cases and boxes I have bought. If your looking for that crazy expensive card by buying a box it's just like buying a lottery ticket. So complaining is not going to do nothing for you just stop buying boxes unless you are doing it for the thrill of hoping for that rare expensive card.
I completely agree with this. While I still open boxes (be lying if I said I didn't) I go into it with an understanding that I'm going to lose money. More and more I find myself buying what I want to finish up sets or just outright buying from the start to complete a set (I build complete sets).
I just got done putting together the 2015 Bowman Inception Prospects Autograph set. There are 58 listed in the set but I'm pretty sure 3 of the cards were never produced. I ended up paying $595.07 for the 55 cards I wanted and I only bought one box. And if I had just bought the cards I received in that box, I would have saved another $50. I picked up a lot of the cards for less than $1 per card and the most I spent on one card was $135.55 which was for Kris Bryant. When you consider I would have only been able to pick up 7-8 boxes for the same amount, I think I did pretty well. Not as much fun as if I had opened a pack and gotten the Bryant for $70-80 but much better odds in my favor by just buying it.
Whatever you decided to do in the future, just remember this is supposed to be fun.
RE: What's up with high end? - kelbysdaddy - 09-26-2015
Bro, if you're expecting to get your moneys worth with any box of cards, you should think about a different hobby. I do not bust boxes at all (probably have opened 3 boxes in 6 years). I buy packs and singles on ebay. I allow myself to buy one higher end pack a year and thats usually just bowman sterling. I can sleep ok at night when i strike out on a few packs and only blow 15 bucks.
RE: What's up with high end? - Nintari - 09-26-2015
For me, chasing high end isn't worth it. I mean, for one thing, I like to buy boxes and the cost of those boxes are crazy expensive. Secondly, I like to COLLECT teams, players and sets. The value side of the hobby is just a bonus.
And lastly, why would I want to drop 200 dollars on a box, which isn't guaranteed anything, when I can buy a sweet vintage graded card of a HOF which is basically like owning a bond? I have no idea what a 200 dollar card of a current player is going to be worth in 20 years. But I sure as heck know what a Mantle, Mays, Banks card will be worth... and then some.
RE: What's up with high end? - chrisa19978 - 09-26-2015
(09-26-2015, 01:16 AM)Nintari Wrote: For me, chasing high end isn't worth it. I mean, for one thing, I like to buy boxes and the cost of those boxes are crazy expensive. Secondly, I like to COLLECT teams, players and sets. The value side of the hobby is just a bonus.
And lastly, why would I want to drop 200 dollars on a box, which isn't guaranteed anything, when I can buy a sweet vintage graded card of a HOF which is basically like owning a bond? I have no idea what a 200 dollar card of a current player is going to be worth in 20 years. But I sure as heck know what a Mantle, Mays, Banks card will be worth... and then some.
I don't agree with this unless it's a very high grade which you would not get for $200.00. The thing with cards in the 90's till today there are less made of some of the sought after cards. Topps made a lot of cards in the 50's through the 80's and you constantly see them on ebay as for some of the rare 90's cards there not even popping up anymore. I was stupid and never bought the 1996 Select Certified Mirror Gold Jeter long ago for well under $1000.00 now that card will probably cost me $15,000.00 plus depending on if it's graded or ungraded. That's why I feel like 90's cards have so much value now as well. Now with the newer stuff they just make way too many cards of the same people. Sets have 10 variations of each player so it makes it impossible to own all the cards of a player collector and master set collector. To try and own every Mike Trout card would be impossible unless your a millionaire. So to me I have no interest going after another player that will be even harder than the Jeter cards I am going after now.
RE: What's up with high end? - woogie23 - 09-26-2015
(09-25-2015, 11:34 PM)BGS_Graded_Card_Guy Wrote: Whatever you decided to do in the future, just remember this is supposed to be fun.
I forget this sometimes when walking into my LCS and see the shiny wax boxes waiting for me to buy. I especially forget when I hit one decent card, then think I can get better out of the next, I'd say 80-90 percent of the time, that theory doesn't work.
RE: What's up with high end? - Hofcollector - 09-26-2015
Just to be clear, I don't believe 90% of today's cards will be worth 10% of today's value in 20 years. Most of it's crap and a gimmick. I got into selling and trading modern cards because they are much easier to move on a drop of a dime and you can play them like stocks. There's so much price fluctuation on modern cards that you can make substantial money in a short period of time. There are certain cards that will endure like key rc's, bat knobs and plates of hofers, hof patches (of the older classes) and I'm sure some variations and parallels. But, I'm not a player collector, not a team collector, try to keep my inventory fresh (within the last 5 years) and really only have interest in big dollar cards or cards with potential. I love high end vintage and if your looking to invest long term, that's your safest bet. You'll never lose your money. Graded high end vintage doesn't do anything but go up in value but it doesn't fluctuate like modern cards. Most of it takes time. Key cards may go up once a year or two but you'll never see the increases like a hot modern card. But when it does it can be in the hundreds or thousands. Ultimately collecting is suppose to be fun as previously stated. If your in it for the money you need to be honest with yourself. Prices go up, prices go down, all markets have the ability to crash and if your buying modern cards, unless your willing to move them at a fairly rapid rate, you shouldn't be worried about a crap box of high end. Your never making your money back anyway.
* Just a little side note. We have no reason to be mad at card companies for boxes we view as junk. We set the pricing for cards. I'm pretty confident Topps and Panini would love for all of their singles to sell for insane money. We've just become spoiled and disregard players without eye popping numbers. I can remember what it meant when you got a player (regardless of who it was) to sign a ball or card for you at a ball park. In my neighborhood, that would have been THE item to own.