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		<title>By: Red Glawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Glawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beckett failed to be able to grade my 1915 George Sisler and Joe Tinker.  PSA is up to the task.  I go to them for grading now.  Kinda&#039; sad.  Grew upm loving Beckett.  Oh well. Water under the bridge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beckett failed to be able to grade my 1915 George Sisler and Joe Tinker.  PSA is up to the task.  I go to them for grading now.  Kinda&#8217; sad.  Grew upm loving Beckett.  Oh well. Water under the bridge.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 06:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There needs to be a few questions answered.
What is the &quot;value&quot; of Topps COA?  The purpose of a COA was traditionally a guarantee
to replace the item or refund the money. 
So, what are they libel for?  The cost of the pack or the price paid by the person who finds
out that the card is a fake?
Legally, Topps&#039;s COA appears to be the equivalent to the small print on lots of thing.

&quot;For entertainment only&quot; - Item does nothing of value other than to entertain you.
The advice to get the hot girl, pick stocks, winning horses, sports, etc. is really only a joke, 
on you,  since we get to keep your money.

&quot;This statement has not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease&quot; - Medicine /exercise equipment is not guaranteed all to do all the wonderful things we told you it would do, heck, it likely won&#039;t.

I think perhaps a protest site on Facebook might get their attention, but who knows.
Average person will respond like the town folks on the Simpsons when they hear that a
blue ribbon commission has been established.

We value money because we all accept that it is worth something.
We value certain pieces of cardboard with images and ink and scraps of material
because we do and we believe others do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There needs to be a few questions answered.<br />
What is the &#8220;value&#8221; of Topps COA?  The purpose of a COA was traditionally a guarantee<br />
to replace the item or refund the money.<br />
So, what are they libel for?  The cost of the pack or the price paid by the person who finds<br />
out that the card is a fake?<br />
Legally, Topps&#8217;s COA appears to be the equivalent to the small print on lots of thing.</p>
<p>&#8220;For entertainment only&#8221; &#8211; Item does nothing of value other than to entertain you.<br />
The advice to get the hot girl, pick stocks, winning horses, sports, etc. is really only a joke,<br />
on you,  since we get to keep your money.</p>
<p>&#8220;This statement has not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease&#8221; &#8211; Medicine /exercise equipment is not guaranteed all to do all the wonderful things we told you it would do, heck, it likely won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I think perhaps a protest site on Facebook might get their attention, but who knows.<br />
Average person will respond like the town folks on the Simpsons when they hear that a<br />
blue ribbon commission has been established.</p>
<p>We value money because we all accept that it is worth something.<br />
We value certain pieces of cardboard with images and ink and scraps of material<br />
because we do and we believe others do.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Braxton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Braxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 05:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an INEXCUSABLE mistake (if it is one.)

There is NO excuse for that level of incompetence ... on a LOU GEHRIG card!

Horrid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an INEXCUSABLE mistake (if it is one.)</p>
<p>There is NO excuse for that level of incompetence &#8230; on a LOU GEHRIG card!</p>
<p>Horrid!</p>
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		<title>By: Del</title>
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		<dc:creator>Del</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are not talking about whether Topps made a mistake with if a player wore it or not....we are talking about a company that obviously can not tell the difference in eras and jersey material. Players now days don&#039;t wear wool. How can you possibly think Lou wore a nice fancy jersey they make now as oppose to the thick scratch wool they wore back then.....HELLO!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are not talking about whether Topps made a mistake with if a player wore it or not&#8230;.we are talking about a company that obviously can not tell the difference in eras and jersey material. Players now days don&#8217;t wear wool. How can you possibly think Lou wore a nice fancy jersey they make now as oppose to the thick scratch wool they wore back then&#8230;..HELLO!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Del</title>
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		<dc:creator>Del</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 11:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG....Don&#039;t they have quality assurance department. On a card like that, how in the world could that have gotten pass everyone at Topps. What a major blow to Topps and stuff like this make them look like idiots. Mistaken can happen, yes, but with something like this? Wow....what a shame and embarrassment.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG&#8230;.Don&#8217;t they have quality assurance department. On a card like that, how in the world could that have gotten pass everyone at Topps. What a major blow to Topps and stuff like this make them look like idiots. Mistaken can happen, yes, but with something like this? Wow&#8230;.what a shame and embarrassment&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua (jpleazme)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua (jpleazme)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 07:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion, it&#039;s a known mistake by topps.. They have done the same thing with other cards.  It is almost impossible to tell if jersey cards (or any object) was &quot;actually used&quot; by an player.  Only way to tell is take DNA samples &amp; that is if they were not washed afterwards.  Card manufacturers are creating their own fabricated patches these days.. 

They could put any old jersey that card or fabricated one themselves.  I am pretty sure they can fabricate old school jerseys.. I&#039;ve seen them sell at swapmeets &amp; online.. 

Card manufacturers are very smart... that is why they have the disclaimer on the cards... they are to mislead &quot;us collectors.&quot;  Just because it says could have been used in an actual game, doesn&#039;t mean that the player that has their name listed on the card actually used that jersey.  There are way too many players in today&#039;s game (all sports) for card manufacturers to keep strict controls on where the jerseys go once they are cut up.  I would love to see a video how  they control their jersey inventory &amp; how they are inserted into cardboard....  Maybe this would put my mind at ease... 

In my opinion, over half of the jersey cards are fake.. but being a collector, I am still going to buy them... as long as UD, TOPPS, or even Panini says they say they are the real deal.  &quot;us collectors&quot; will never know..

same with autos.. some of the autos can be fake.. sticker autos?  maybe a player&#039;s family member is signing all those stickers....??  I seen a very famous movie star that lives in Santa Barbara, ca have his mom sign mosters &amp; fanmail for him... why would his mom have a couple thousand autograph pictures sitting on her kitchen table...  she was the one signing &amp; sending them out.. card manufacturers and/or players could do the same thing...  I went to this actors house, because I used to help my dad do plumbing when I was 16.  I even went to Bill Bertka&#039;s house.. which is totally awesome..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion, it&#8217;s a known mistake by topps.. They have done the same thing with other cards.  It is almost impossible to tell if jersey cards (or any object) was &#8220;actually used&#8221; by an player.  Only way to tell is take DNA samples &amp; that is if they were not washed afterwards.  Card manufacturers are creating their own fabricated patches these days.. </p>
<p>They could put any old jersey that card or fabricated one themselves.  I am pretty sure they can fabricate old school jerseys.. I&#8217;ve seen them sell at swapmeets &amp; online.. </p>
<p>Card manufacturers are very smart&#8230; that is why they have the disclaimer on the cards&#8230; they are to mislead &#8220;us collectors.&#8221;  Just because it says could have been used in an actual game, doesn&#8217;t mean that the player that has their name listed on the card actually used that jersey.  There are way too many players in today&#8217;s game (all sports) for card manufacturers to keep strict controls on where the jerseys go once they are cut up.  I would love to see a video how  they control their jersey inventory &amp; how they are inserted into cardboard&#8230;.  Maybe this would put my mind at ease&#8230; </p>
<p>In my opinion, over half of the jersey cards are fake.. but being a collector, I am still going to buy them&#8230; as long as UD, TOPPS, or even Panini says they say they are the real deal.  &#8220;us collectors&#8221; will never know..</p>
<p>same with autos.. some of the autos can be fake.. sticker autos?  maybe a player&#8217;s family member is signing all those stickers&#8230;.??  I seen a very famous movie star that lives in Santa Barbara, ca have his mom sign mosters &amp; fanmail for him&#8230; why would his mom have a couple thousand autograph pictures sitting on her kitchen table&#8230;  she was the one signing &amp; sending them out.. card manufacturers and/or players could do the same thing&#8230;  I went to this actors house, because I used to help my dad do plumbing when I was 16.  I even went to Bill Bertka&#8217;s house.. which is totally awesome..</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 06:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heres a fun number to ponder, its from the 2010 Topps BB product; the manufactured hat logo patches.   (416 cards in set) X (each card numbered to 99) X (inserted every 425 packs ) = 17,791,488.   That is a rough estimate of the number of packs made of 2010 Topps BB;  then if you figure the standard box was 36 packs (and.....I didnt figure in this equation for jumbo boxes, etc.   but.......  ( 17,791,488 / 36 ) =  494,208 boxes.  And if we use a standard  12 box case dynamic.......( 494,208 / 12 ) =  41,184 cases

is it just me, or does anyone else think thats a lot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heres a fun number to ponder, its from the 2010 Topps BB product; the manufactured hat logo patches.   (416 cards in set) X (each card numbered to 99) X (inserted every 425 packs ) = 17,791,488.   That is a rough estimate of the number of packs made of 2010 Topps BB;  then if you figure the standard box was 36 packs (and&#8230;..I didnt figure in this equation for jumbo boxes, etc.   but&#8230;&#8230;.  ( 17,791,488 / 36 ) =  494,208 boxes.  And if we use a standard  12 box case dynamic&#8230;&#8230;.( 494,208 / 12 ) =  41,184 cases</p>
<p>is it just me, or does anyone else think thats a lot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 06:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Topps Triple Threads works out to somewhere around $15 a card (give or take) and since its guaranteed, you will pull several base cards and parallels and then the &quot;lottery&quot; begins.  But......Topps is concerned about these issues, just like Upper Deck &quot;was concerned&quot; and now Panini will &quot;be concerned&quot;.

Funny idea......when will the agencies that think their poo-poo doesnt stink; like MLBPA, MLB properties, NFLPA, etc. , etc. , etc.........get involved and see through all the cash they receive from kickbacks, bribes that there seems to be a legitimate problem  ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

or........maybe some magazine with clout or some other form of serious journalism-could write a series of exposes (sp right ??) that might force some heads to hear us !!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Topps Triple Threads works out to somewhere around $15 a card (give or take) and since its guaranteed, you will pull several base cards and parallels and then the &#8220;lottery&#8221; begins.  But&#8230;&#8230;Topps is concerned about these issues, just like Upper Deck &#8220;was concerned&#8221; and now Panini will &#8220;be concerned&#8221;.</p>
<p>Funny idea&#8230;&#8230;when will the agencies that think their poo-poo doesnt stink; like MLBPA, MLB properties, NFLPA, etc. , etc. , etc&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;get involved and see through all the cash they receive from kickbacks, bribes that there seems to be a legitimate problem  ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?</p>
<p>or&#8230;&#8230;..maybe some magazine with clout or some other form of serious journalism-could write a series of exposes (sp right ??) that might force some heads to hear us !!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: P.J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>P.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 05:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is nothing new, if you collect Ryan Mathews, RB for the Chargers, there&#039;s a Triple Threads booklet jumbo patch rookie auto numbered to just 3 made that&#039;s been on E-Bay for a year with an asking price of 699.99, it should be one of the top Mathews rookie cards made, except for one huge problem, the jumbo patch is clearly a part of a 3, and Mathews jersey number is 24. When I advised the seller of this he then contacted Topps to see if it could be fixed but they declined and said there must have been a mistake when manufacturing the card. Its funny that Topps will acknowledge there errors but don&#039;t do anything to fix it. Thats whats really lame, they think its ok cause there rolling in the dough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nothing new, if you collect Ryan Mathews, RB for the Chargers, there&#8217;s a Triple Threads booklet jumbo patch rookie auto numbered to just 3 made that&#8217;s been on E-Bay for a year with an asking price of 699.99, it should be one of the top Mathews rookie cards made, except for one huge problem, the jumbo patch is clearly a part of a 3, and Mathews jersey number is 24. When I advised the seller of this he then contacted Topps to see if it could be fixed but they declined and said there must have been a mistake when manufacturing the card. Its funny that Topps will acknowledge there errors but don&#8217;t do anything to fix it. Thats whats really lame, they think its ok cause there rolling in the dough.</p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 03:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last point. I apologize for writing so much.  There are now so many relic cards, and auto cards, and cut auto cards, that even if everyone is real the value of each continues to drop as more and more are put out.  
its a tough treadmill to get off of.  Sets like triple threads, (nice, nice cards) contribute to this.  How?  the 3/3 and 9/9 and 18/18 and 27/27 and 36/36 are all the same but the color is different.  so effectively the 3/3 is really 3 of 93.  the numbers for the different base sets are similarly understated and in  reality astronomical.
if one buys a product to resell it, it is virtually impossible to make a profit without getting one of the once in a lifetime hits from it.  even a good box, leaves little or no room for resale profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last point. I apologize for writing so much.  There are now so many relic cards, and auto cards, and cut auto cards, that even if everyone is real the value of each continues to drop as more and more are put out.<br />
its a tough treadmill to get off of.  Sets like triple threads, (nice, nice cards) contribute to this.  How?  the 3/3 and 9/9 and 18/18 and 27/27 and 36/36 are all the same but the color is different.  so effectively the 3/3 is really 3 of 93.  the numbers for the different base sets are similarly understated and in  reality astronomical.<br />
if one buys a product to resell it, it is virtually impossible to make a profit without getting one of the once in a lifetime hits from it.  even a good box, leaves little or no room for resale profit.</p>
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