[tshormis5]

jeter is a good player who is overated and being from new york i could only say and beleive this. I heard its an impossible to get an auto at a game, heres my thought to this dont forget who pays your salary. When the yankees got A-rod and left jeter at SS i could not believe it. Dont get me wrong but he is a good player and the mans great clutch, but would his name be so rated if he played elsewhere then yankees?????? dont forget about a-rod he is on a roll to break home run record and dont say steroids because there are still a hundred names not listed or publicised from the steroid era which is wrong because i could put money vladdy gueerry used

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Beatles Guy Wrote:

bcus28 Wrote:I'd take Jeter over Pujols on my team anyday. So yes, I would say Jeter. He's a winner and it's just not all about stats, which I believe some here are eluding too- referring to Pujols and his home runs. .And besides, Pujols is a little too top heavy if ya know what I mean

Jeter over Pujols by a mile.

If you are only looking at Pujols' power numbers then you are not looking deep enough.  He has the same intangibles that Jeter does.  If Pujols were in New York he would be a God. And, since when is Pujols not a winner?  He's been to the playoffs almost every season since he's been here (and carried the team there in a couple of situations) and has the same number of championships as Jeter does this decade.

It's nothing against Jeter, I have grown to like him.  I just think he is over-hyped.

I agree...Jeter is completely a product of playing for the New York Yankees.  If he played his career in say Cincinnati or Detroit, this thread would have never existed.

That's not meant to discount his career - he is a great player, a great clutch player, and has been the face of a franchise for many years.  He is a sure fire hall of famer, and will go down in Yankee lore along with many other greats.

But to call him the best player of his generation is ludicrous.  One tool I love is the "similarity scores" on baseball-reference.com.  Check out Jeter's "similarity scores" - these are the players his statistics most closely resemble:

Barry Larkin, Alan Trammell, Ryne Sandberg, Roberto Alomar...all great players and mostly hall of famers - but do you consider any of them the 'greatest player' of a generation?

The one thing Jeter has on all these guys is rings...but baseball is a team sport.  Had Jeter put up his statistics on the Tigers or Reds, he'd be lucky to have a ring or two.

Just off the top of my head, some people I personally would put ahead of Jeter in the "best players this generation": Pujols, Bonds, Vlad Guerrero, Greg Maddux, A Rod, Randy Johnson, John Smoltz, Chipper Jones, Griffey, Manny Ramirez, Clemens, and Todd Helton.  Jeter would fall in the next group, along with players like Halladay, Johan Santana, Pedro Martinez, Jim Thome and (provided he continues along the path he has started on) Joe Mauer.

[shedwa]

marcjack Wrote:Top Five Modern Players:  (From 1990-Present)

Number One:  Albert Pujols

Number Two:  Ken Griffey Jr.  (Would be number one without his injuries)

Number Three:  Ichiro  (Scary stats if he came over sooner)

Number Four:  Randy Johnson

Number Five:  Vladamir Guerierro  Spelling?

So 3 out of the 5 spent considerable time with the Mariners, yet they aren't considered one of the best teams of this era... interesting.  And how is A-Rod not on your list?

[tshormis5]

because they did noty buy an all star team like the yankees:}

[the cardboard fan]

shedwa Wrote:

marcjack Wrote:Top Five Modern Players: (From 1990-Present)

Number One: Albert Pujols

Number Two: Ken Griffey Jr. (Would be number one without his injuries)

Number Three: Ichiro (Scary stats if he came over sooner)

Number Four: Randy Johnson

Number Five: Vladamir Guerierro Spelling?

So 3 out of the 5 spent considerable time with the Mariners, yet they aren't considered one of the best teams of this era... interesting. And how is A-Rod not on your list?

He is not a Mariners fan

[shedwa]

I don't think Jeter is the greatest player of the modern era based purely on numbers.  I think if you were to ask "What player is the face of the modern era?" that player is Jeter.

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shedwa Wrote:I don't think Jeter is the greatest player of the modern era based purely on numbers.  I think if you were to ask "What player is the face of the modern era?" that player is Jeter.

That I could agree with, depending on how you define "modern era".  For the 90s-present, I'd agree.

[shedwa]

The Cardboard Fan Wrote:

shedwa Wrote:

marcjack Wrote:Top Five Modern Players: (From 1990-Present)

Number One: Albert Pujols

Number Two: Ken Griffey Jr. (Would be number one without his injuries)

Number Three: Ichiro (Scary stats if he came over sooner)

Number Four: Randy Johnson

Number Five: Vladamir Guerierro Spelling?

So 3 out of the 5 spent considerable time with the Mariners, yet they aren't considered one of the best teams of this era... interesting. And how is A-Rod not on your list?

He is not a Mariners fan

I wasn't saying he was a Mariners fan and partial to Mariners players.  I was just saying that if those really are the best players then it's interesting the Mariners haven't done better.  Just saying that a great player doesn't make a great team.

[docisin]

I think anyone who says Jeter is over rated is saying it out of spite, or they are a Red Sox fan. How can you call a former ROY, World Series MVP, All Star Game MVP, three time gold glover, three time silver slugger, Hank Aaron award winner, a future member of the 3000 hit club (possibly 4000) and a carrer .317 hitter OVER RATED! Not to mention he has 19 career post season home runs and a career .311 post season average and won 4 world series titles.

Pujols hasn't done all that.

I'm just saying.

[the cardboard fan]

shedwa Wrote:

The Cardboard Fan Wrote:

shedwa Wrote:

marcjack Wrote:Top Five Modern Players: (From 1990-Present)

Number One: Albert Pujols

Number Two: Ken Griffey Jr. (Would be number one without his injuries)

Number Three: Ichiro (Scary stats if he came over sooner)

Number Four: Randy Johnson

Number Five: Vladamir Guerierro Spelling?

So 3 out of the 5 spent considerable time with the Mariners, yet they aren't considered one of the best teams of this era... interesting. And how is A-Rod not on your list?

He is not a Mariners fan

I wasn't saying he was a Mariners fan and partial to Mariners players. I was just saying that if those really are the best players then it's interesting the Mariners haven't done better. Just saying that a great player doesn't make a great team.

I agree and that is what I am saying a great team doesn't necessarily make a great player either