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I have a feeling Santa will be showing up for an Atkins collector if he hasn't already!!!

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pinbreaker Wrote:I have a feeling Santa will be showing up for an Atkins collector if he hasn't already!!!

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Did you see that Edgar Martinez post a few weeks ago? I defended you boy proudly

[fballJets]

didnt Preston Wilson have 140 RBI's for Colorado 1 year? Id be careful trying to compare anyones stats when one of them plays home games at Coors field, with that being said the Atkins should be selling for more.

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fballJets Wrote:didnt Preston Wilson have 140 RBI's for Colorado 1 year? Id be careful trying to compare anyones stats when one of them plays home games at Coors field, with that being said the Atkins should be selling for more.

Even if Atkins batting stats were lower (.800 OPS, fewer RBI) he would still be a more valuable player than Church because he is putting those stats up at 3b, and he is playing with a weaker lineup (with the exception of Holliday and sometimes Helton although he is fading quickly). When it comes down to it, the most RBI Church has ever had in a season is 70, and even hitting 5th in the Mets lineup behind Beltran and Wright, he is still only projected to have 89. He is also still a year older than Atkins. This is no knock on Church, but that price differential is insane.

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soccerman034 Wrote:

fballJets Wrote:didnt Preston Wilson have 140 RBI's for Colorado 1 year? Id be careful trying to compare anyones stats when one of them plays home games at Coors field, with that being said the Atkins should be selling for more.

Even if Atkins batting stats were lower (.800 OPS, fewer RBI) he would still be a more valuable player than Church because he is putting those stats up at 3b, and he is playing with a weaker lineup (with the exception of Holliday and sometimes Helton although he is fading quickly). When it comes down to it, the most RBI Church has ever had in a season is 70, and even hitting 5th in the Mets lineup behind Beltran and Wright, he is still only projected to have 89. He is also still a year older than Church. This is no knock on Atkins, but that price differential is insane.

Chruch was on pace for 100 RBIS, but idont think hell get there because hes been out a wile with a concussion,but I wasnt really comparing the 2 players so much as I was saying your bringing up his stats and I dont think its fair to compare the 2 of them based on stats with atkins playing at coors field, Atkins has done more in his career, so hes the better player, i think Church is ready to be in his prime,atkins already is. Like I said the Atkins at that price is a steal, but the Church being so high is more than just him being a Met

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fballJets Wrote:

soccerman034 Wrote:

fballJets Wrote:didnt Preston Wilson have 140 RBI's for Colorado 1 year? Id be careful trying to compare anyones stats when one of them plays home games at Coors field, with that being said the Atkins should be selling for more.

Even if Atkins batting stats were lower (.800 OPS, fewer RBI) he would still be a more valuable player than Church because he is putting those stats up at 3b, and he is playing with a weaker lineup (with the exception of Holliday and sometimes Helton although he is fading quickly). When it comes down to it, the most RBI Church has ever had in a season is 70, and even hitting 5th in the Mets lineup behind Beltran and Wright, he is still only projected to have 89. He is also still a year older than Church. This is no knock on Atkins, but that price differential is insane.

no I wasnt really comparing the 2 players so much as I was saying your bringing up his stats and I dont think its fair to compare the 2 of them based on stats with atkins playing at coors field, Atkins has done more in his career, so hes the better player, i think Church is ready to be in his prime,atkins already is. Like I said the Atkins at that price is a steal, but the Church being so high is more than just him being a Met

How do you get that? Atkins should be entering his prime as well, he is a year younger after all.

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soccerman034 Wrote:

topnotchsy Wrote:While your point is perfectly valid and I am not trying to argue on the idea (that prices often have little to do with performance) here's what I'll give you:

#1 often gets a premium, sometimes a large one
Church was a RC in 2002, Atkins rookie is in 2001 (though this is his first Auto, and there's little in the way of 2001 cards.)
Church has gotten some serious NY love recently while Atkins is on a Rockies team that is seriously struggling.
The set is rare enough and important enough that there could very well be a couple of big Church fans who just "had to have it" bidding like that, while no big Atkins fans needed it right now (at least not more than 1.) It's a card that could legitimately be called Church's "best card" meaning that to a big time collector, price is no issue (especially with the 1/1000 serial number.)

I mentioned the first point already, but i doubt that point would cause a $150+ swing. Atkins 01 autograph was considered an insert (although I love it, and have 2 gem mint copies ). I would honestly call this card Atkins best early card, especially if you call it his true RC since it is not in an insert set like his '01 card. The only logical reason I can see for that card going so high is because of the NY influence; the bidding history suggest their were more than just 2 people going after the card seriously.

I thought Atkins had another card in 2001, my mistake. Obviously the "correct" answer to the question is that there is no logic to collecting. Meanwhile, keep loading up on a great talent for cheap prices.

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topnotchsy Wrote:

soccerman034 Wrote:

topnotchsy Wrote:While your point is perfectly valid and I am not trying to argue on the idea (that prices often have little to do with performance) here's what I'll give you:

#1 often gets a premium, sometimes a large one
Church was a RC in 2002, Atkins rookie is in 2001 (though this is his first Auto, and there's little in the way of 2001 cards.)
Church has gotten some serious NY love recently while Atkins is on a Rockies team that is seriously struggling.
The set is rare enough and important enough that there could very well be a couple of big Church fans who just "had to have it" bidding like that, while no big Atkins fans needed it right now (at least not more than 1.) It's a card that could legitimately be called Church's "best card" meaning that to a big time collector, price is no issue (especially with the 1/1000 serial number.)

I mentioned the first point already, but i doubt that point would cause a $150+ swing. Atkins 01 autograph was considered an insert (although I love it, and have 2 gem mint copies ). I would honestly call this card Atkins best early card, especially if you call it his true RC since it is not in an insert set like his '01 card. The only logical reason I can see for that card going so high is because of the NY influence; the bidding history suggest their were more than just 2 people going after the card seriously.

I thought Atkins had another card in 2001, my mistake. Obviously the "correct" answer to the question is that there is no logic to collecting. Meanwhile, keep loading up on a great talent for cheap prices.

In some ways I wish Atkins would get moved to a team like the Mets eventually; hes not just a talented player, but also a smart one. I don't know if any of you saw that game yesterday, but he scored the only run of the game, darting home in the 9th when an outfielder bobbled the ball. He also made another great running play in the 3rd inning. Smart play deserves admiration.

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soccerman034 Wrote:

fballJets Wrote:

soccerman034 Wrote:

fballJets Wrote:didnt Preston Wilson have 140 RBI's for Colorado 1 year? Id be careful trying to compare anyones stats when one of them plays home games at Coors field, with that being said the Atkins should be selling for more.

Even if Atkins batting stats were lower (.800 OPS, fewer RBI) he would still be a more valuable player than Church because he is putting those stats up at 3b, and he is playing with a weaker lineup (with the exception of Holliday and sometimes Helton although he is fading quickly). When it comes down to it, the most RBI Church has ever had in a season is 70, and even hitting 5th in the Mets lineup behind Beltran and Wright, he is still only projected to have 89. He is also still a year older than Church. This is no knock on Atkins, but that price differential is insane.

no I wasnt really comparing the 2 players so much as I was saying your bringing up his stats and I dont think its fair to compare the 2 of them based on stats with atkins playing at coors field, Atkins has done more in his career, so hes the better player, i think Church is ready to be in his prime,atkins already is. Like I said the Atkins at that price is a steal, but the Church being so high is more than just him being a Met

How do you get that? Atkins should be entering his prime as well, he is a year younger after all.

get what? Church obviousely devolped a little later than Atkins therefore hes hitting his prime a little later than atkins, some guys hit their primes earlier than others, age doesnt mean much, everybodies different

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fballJets Wrote:

soccerman034 Wrote:

fballJets Wrote:

soccerman034 Wrote:

fballJets Wrote:didnt Preston Wilson have 140 RBI's for Colorado 1 year? Id be careful trying to compare anyones stats when one of them plays home games at Coors field, with that being said the Atkins should be selling for more.

Even if Atkins batting stats were lower (.800 OPS, fewer RBI) he would still be a more valuable player than Church because he is putting those stats up at 3b, and he is playing with a weaker lineup (with the exception of Holliday and sometimes Helton although he is fading quickly). When it comes down to it, the most RBI Church has ever had in a season is 70, and even hitting 5th in the Mets lineup behind Beltran and Wright, he is still only projected to have 89. He is also still a year older than Church. This is no knock on Atkins, but that price differential is insane.

no I wasnt really comparing the 2 players so much as I was saying your bringing up his stats and I dont think its fair to compare the 2 of them based on stats with atkins playing at coors field, Atkins has done more in his career, so hes the better player, i think Church is ready to be in his prime,atkins already is. Like I said the Atkins at that price is a steal, but the Church being so high is more than just him being a Met

How do you get that? Atkins should be entering his prime as well, he is a year younger after all.

get what? Church obviousely devolped a little later than Atkins therefore hes hitting his prime a little later than atkins, some guys hit their primes earlier than others, age doesnt mean much, everybodies different

Atkins played his first full season at 25, Church also played his first full season at 25. Atkins did a bit better than Church each year comparatively throughout their careers while playing a harder position; the only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that Atkins has a bit higher ceiling. I have nothing against Church, I think hes a quality ball player that could blossom into a star, but I like Atkins a bit more, as you might be able to tell.