[wiseguy917]

zeus3007 Wrote:

wiseguy917 Wrote:

jaromirjagr68rw90 Wrote:

wiseguy917 Wrote:So in your opinion should they change stick blades from curved to straight???.....Some guys have bigger curves then others....Does that disgrace the game??

The rule expressly allows for curved sticks to a certain extent...it is a set amount of inches and their measurements that can be done simply to ensure that...

There is no such thing for certain pieces of goalie equipment, such as the net, er, chest protector...

There's also a rule that allows for goalie pads to be no more then 38 inches high and no more then 12 inches wide so I still don't understand your point.....The net has nothing to do with the goalie's personal equipment and I've never heard anybody complain because a chest protector was to big.......

The arguement for pads to be reduced WAS completely relevant a few years ago because butterfly style goalies were allowed to wear pads that basically were long enough to reach their hips.....When a butterfly goalie went down there was basically no five hole at all because of the elongated pads.....This is why they made a rule stating pads can only be 38 inches high....

Pad sizes also have a direct correlation to the "style" a goalie uses.....For example take Lundy....He plays an aggresive butterfly style....He needs to max out his pad size to be the type of goalie he likes to be......Brodeur on the other hand plays more of a hybrid goalie style mixing in stand up, toe up, poke check, and butterfly......That's even if you can label Brodeur's style of play....He's the best goalie in NHL history because of his great reflexes, superior puck handling, and his way to improvise to make any save using the equipment most comfortable to his style of goaltending.....

Again the point im trying to make is that labeling a goalie for using "large goalie equipment" to try to prove a point on how well they play the position is irrelevant.........

Its a simple concept though, if one guy needs twice the padding to block the net because he can't cut down angles, gives out huge rebounds, and isn't quick enough to recover, then obviously he isn't as good. There is a difference between making a save and simply letting the puck hit you. I understand your point, but I must respectfully diagree.

Well then a player who puts more of a curve on his blade isn't as good as a player who uses less of a curve because there able to put more zing on a shot.......If an offensive player needs more of a curve, then there obviously not as good of a goal scorer as a forward who uses less....According to your thoughts anyway.....Its the same concept so I still don't agree with you.....

[zeus3007]

wiseguy917 Wrote:

zeus3007 Wrote:

wiseguy917 Wrote:

jaromirjagr68rw90 Wrote:

wiseguy917 Wrote:So in your opinion should they change stick blades from curved to straight???.....Some guys have bigger curves then others....Does that disgrace the game??

The rule expressly allows for curved sticks to a certain extent...it is a set amount of inches and their measurements that can be done simply to ensure that...

There is no such thing for certain pieces of goalie equipment, such as the net, er, chest protector...

There's also a rule that allows for goalie pads to be no more then 38 inches high and no more then 12 inches wide so I still don't understand your point.....The net has nothing to do with the goalie's personal equipment and I've never heard anybody complain because a chest protector was to big.......

The arguement for pads to be reduced WAS completely relevant a few years ago because butterfly style goalies were allowed to wear pads that basically were long enough to reach their hips.....When a butterfly goalie went down there was basically no five hole at all because of the elongated pads.....This is why they made a rule stating pads can only be 38 inches high....

Pad sizes also have a direct correlation to the "style" a goalie uses.....For example take Lundy....He plays an aggresive butterfly style....He needs to max out his pad size to be the type of goalie he likes to be......Brodeur on the other hand plays more of a hybrid goalie style mixing in stand up, toe up, poke check, and butterfly......That's even if you can label Brodeur's style of play....He's the best goalie in NHL history because of his great reflexes, superior puck handling, and his way to improvise to make any save using the equipment most comfortable to his style of goaltending.....

Again the point im trying to make is that labeling a goalie for using "large goalie equipment" to try to prove a point on how well they play the position is irrelevant.........

Its a simple concept though, if one guy needs twice the padding to block the net because he can't cut down angles, gives out huge rebounds, and isn't quick enough to recover, then obviously he isn't as good. There is a difference between making a save and simply letting the puck hit you. I understand your point, but I must respectfully diagree.

Well then a player who puts more of a curve on his blade isn't as good as a player who uses less of a curve because there able to put more zing on a shot.......If an offensive player needs more of a curve, then there obviously not as good of a goal scorer as a forward who uses less....According to your thoughts anyway.....Its the same concept so I still don't agree with you.....

Its not the same concept at all. There is more to the game for a skater than shooting the puck hard. The entire point of a goalie being there is to save the puck.

[lucscaps]

In my opinon this is a hard question to answer, so I'll do my best. I will say right now that I am not going to pretend to be an authority of anyone in the West because I don't see alot of they're games. I only get to see them come playoff time. So I'm going to stick with who I know and why.

To me these guys are in the discusion, but I have no real answer

Fleury - He has great size, great reflexes and knows how to use his team. Just like Brodeur Fleury knows who he is surrounded with and knows how to use that to his advantage. He was sensational this past playoffs and with the injuries I really think the Pens take the conference, easy.

Turco - I watch some of the Dallas games, and watched all of they're playoff run. He was amazing back there. He has the "extra-defensman" aspect to his game that Brodeur brings. He is great with his stick and although he has been a great regular season goalie I think he is finally blooming into a playoff goalie and really developing the how to lead a team over the hump attitude.

I can't say I know enough about Luongo or Kiprusoff to give my opinions on them. So I won't.

[wiseguy917]

zeus3007 Wrote:

wiseguy917 Wrote:

zeus3007 Wrote:

wiseguy917 Wrote:

jaromirjagr68rw90 Wrote:

wiseguy917 Wrote:So in your opinion should they change stick blades from curved to straight???.....Some guys have bigger curves then others....Does that disgrace the game??

The rule expressly allows for curved sticks to a certain extent...it is a set amount of inches and their measurements that can be done simply to ensure that...

There is no such thing for certain pieces of goalie equipment, such as the net, er, chest protector...

There's also a rule that allows for goalie pads to be no more then 38 inches high and no more then 12 inches wide so I still don't understand your point.....The net has nothing to do with the goalie's personal equipment and I've never heard anybody complain because a chest protector was to big.......

The arguement for pads to be reduced WAS completely relevant a few years ago because butterfly style goalies were allowed to wear pads that basically were long enough to reach their hips.....When a butterfly goalie went down there was basically no five hole at all because of the elongated pads.....This is why they made a rule stating pads can only be 38 inches high....

Pad sizes also have a direct correlation to the "style" a goalie uses.....For example take Lundy....He plays an aggresive butterfly style....He needs to max out his pad size to be the type of goalie he likes to be......Brodeur on the other hand plays more of a hybrid goalie style mixing in stand up, toe up, poke check, and butterfly......That's even if you can label Brodeur's style of play....He's the best goalie in NHL history because of his great reflexes, superior puck handling, and his way to improvise to make any save using the equipment most comfortable to his style of goaltending.....

Again the point im trying to make is that labeling a goalie for using "large goalie equipment" to try to prove a point on how well they play the position is irrelevant.........

Its a simple concept though, if one guy needs twice the padding to block the net because he can't cut down angles, gives out huge rebounds, and isn't quick enough to recover, then obviously he isn't as good. There is a difference between making a save and simply letting the puck hit you. I understand your point, but I must respectfully diagree.

Well then a player who puts more of a curve on his blade isn't as good as a player who uses less of a curve because there able to put more zing on a shot.......If an offensive player needs more of a curve, then there obviously not as good of a goal scorer as a forward who uses less....According to your thoughts anyway.....Its the same concept so I still don't agree with you.....

Its not the same concept at all. There is more to the game for a skater than shooting the puck hard. The entire point of a goalie being there is to save the puck.

Well obviously my point is not being recognized so I'll leave it at this.....The equipment does not make the goalie....The goalie makes the equipment....

[zeus3007]

wiseguy917 Wrote:

zeus3007 Wrote:

wiseguy917 Wrote:

zeus3007 Wrote:

wiseguy917 Wrote:

jaromirjagr68rw90 Wrote:

wiseguy917 Wrote:So in your opinion should they change stick blades from curved to straight???.....Some guys have bigger curves then others....Does that disgrace the game??

The rule expressly allows for curved sticks to a certain extent...it is a set amount of inches and their measurements that can be done simply to ensure that...

There is no such thing for certain pieces of goalie equipment, such as the net, er, chest protector...

There's also a rule that allows for goalie pads to be no more then 38 inches high and no more then 12 inches wide so I still don't understand your point.....The net has nothing to do with the goalie's personal equipment and I've never heard anybody complain because a chest protector was to big.......

The arguement for pads to be reduced WAS completely relevant a few years ago because butterfly style goalies were allowed to wear pads that basically were long enough to reach their hips.....When a butterfly goalie went down there was basically no five hole at all because of the elongated pads.....This is why they made a rule stating pads can only be 38 inches high....

Pad sizes also have a direct correlation to the "style" a goalie uses.....For example take Lundy....He plays an aggresive butterfly style....He needs to max out his pad size to be the type of goalie he likes to be......Brodeur on the other hand plays more of a hybrid goalie style mixing in stand up, toe up, poke check, and butterfly......That's even if you can label Brodeur's style of play....He's the best goalie in NHL history because of his great reflexes, superior puck handling, and his way to improvise to make any save using the equipment most comfortable to his style of goaltending.....

Again the point im trying to make is that labeling a goalie for using "large goalie equipment" to try to prove a point on how well they play the position is irrelevant.........

Its a simple concept though, if one guy needs twice the padding to block the net because he can't cut down angles, gives out huge rebounds, and isn't quick enough to recover, then obviously he isn't as good. There is a difference between making a save and simply letting the puck hit you. I understand your point, but I must respectfully diagree.

Well then a player who puts more of a curve on his blade isn't as good as a player who uses less of a curve because there able to put more zing on a shot.......If an offensive player needs more of a curve, then there obviously not as good of a goal scorer as a forward who uses less....According to your thoughts anyway.....Its the same concept so I still don't agree with you.....

Its not the same concept at all. There is more to the game for a skater than shooting the puck hard. The entire point of a goalie being there is to save the puck.

Well obviously my point is not being recognized so I'll leave it at this.....The equipment does not make the goalie....The goalie makes the equipment....

I do understand your point, in that you are saying that the goalie uses the pads as a tool to do his job, in the same way that a skater uses a curved stick to do his. But there is a difference, bigger pads mean that a goalie does not need to move as much, he can simply sit there and let the puck hit him. There are a few goalies who use this to their advantage, and others that do not need to have such large pads, as they actually have the ability to stop the puck.