[quenepa2216]

chrisgilmore Wrote:

quenepa2216 Wrote:

chrisgilmore Wrote:

SuprDav20 Wrote:

chrisgilmore Wrote:

SuprDav20 Wrote:

ray7iceman Wrote:The counter is at 46, that's all I'm gonna say Dav and you know what I mean.

It miscounted somewhere along the line (i'm at 62 , maybe 1 or 2 more, but I am almost certain there will be more; assuming that this is a free message board & I am entitled to use it )

As for you Gilmore, you have the guessing part right (that's all prospecting really is, you throw in statistical data here, ah pinch of some comparative analysis there, take a while for each individual to digest it & voila- you've got a prospector (I use this label very loosely considering there are new one's born every minute)...the big downside to this is you can throw the exact same data at several different "prospector's" & most likely each one of those "prospector's" are going to speculate different things...we're all guessing Gilly (if you think otherwise you've got an inferiority complex)

To Ryanhoward06- "Tough"

That is a common misconception. Prospecting is not guessing. I do not have an infeiority complex, you just don't know how this little game is played. Have you seen ANYTHING on Taylor other than a stat sheet? I sure as hell have, and from watching Taylor live I can say from a first hand account that he does not impress me.

Which is your "opinion" & you are entitled to such, but as you posted earlier when referring to my opinion on such matter's: "I listen to some people on this board as to thier opinion of ball players. You are not one of them." (Yes sir, it rings so true!)

Have you seen him play? Have you talked to anyone who has seen him play? I am willing to bet that the answer is no on both accounts. I have, on a few occasions thus far, and probably will agian. I am not saying that you HAVE to see a prospect play to know how good they are but it helps. If you saw Taylor and his lack of athleticisim you might say the same thing.

And Casey2884, an educated guess is not what super dave is talking about. He is talking about seeing a stat line, and assuming that is all there is to the story. To have an educated guess about the abilities of minor league baseball players, you have to do more than simply look at a stat sheet and say, damn thats good.

Another thing Casey, I do not make a living off of prospecting. But I do make money to fund my braves pc, and to go to as many ball games as I can possibly stand.

Taylor named South Atlantic League Player of the Month
Published on: 6/13/2008 via...

Blueclaws.com

I just saw this and thought how your statement is just a mere opinion. If Michael Taylor really lacked athleticism then there must be a lot of "blind" people watching him play. Evidently, enough people saw and liked what he did enough for him to earn the SAL Player of the Month!

Honestly, you have every right to downplay any player you want and I think its great that we live in a country where you can voice your opinion. But, right now I think Michael Taylor's play is overwhelming your argument about him being not being your type of par prospect. IMO, I really think you are grasping at straws.

Let me guess... You pulled a red, and then started looking at a players stats. Congrats, people are making money off of Taylor right now, and its great. I think sometimes luck = good, hell I myself have sold a few Taylor cards. But what is rediculous is how people are letting half of a minor league season elevate a player into the realm of top tier prospects. As for the SAL player of the month award, that award is purely stat based. No one is arguing that his stat sheet is not good, here lately it has been great. Mike Taylor has had a great half with the bat, but to ignore the negatives with him would be foolish.

That is why the prospects are in the minors! I mean even Heyward/Freeman have their own issues (or negatives as you like to call it). Lets not forget that the minors is the place for issues like this to be improved upon and corrected! Who's to say whatever you saw about Taylor that caused your opinion about no/little athleticism hasn't already been corrected?

Your argument gives the impression that there is no way for Taylor to continue doing what he is doing because he is 6'6" and he is too old @ 22, oh, and that he is playing against players/pitchers younger than him! The last team the they played against (Delmarva Shorebirds) shows all of their players at 21 years of age or older. Shorebirds

Again, I agree with SuprDav20 on this kid's future as possibly one of the best up and coming prospects around and while your argument may have been valid at some point, it seems baseless now.

[chrisgilmore]

quenepa2216 Wrote:

chrisgilmore Wrote:

quenepa2216 Wrote:

chrisgilmore Wrote:

SuprDav20 Wrote:

chrisgilmore Wrote:

SuprDav20 Wrote:

ray7iceman Wrote:The counter is at 46, that's all I'm gonna say Dav and you know what I mean.

It miscounted somewhere along the line (i'm at 62 , maybe 1 or 2 more, but I am almost certain there will be more; assuming that this is a free message board & I am entitled to use it )

As for you Gilmore, you have the guessing part right (that's all prospecting really is, you throw in statistical data here, ah pinch of some comparative analysis there, take a while for each individual to digest it & voila- you've got a prospector (I use this label very loosely considering there are new one's born every minute)...the big downside to this is you can throw the exact same data at several different "prospector's" & most likely each one of those "prospector's" are going to speculate different things...we're all guessing Gilly (if you think otherwise you've got an inferiority complex)

To Ryanhoward06- "Tough"

That is a common misconception. Prospecting is not guessing. I do not have an infeiority complex, you just don't know how this little game is played. Have you seen ANYTHING on Taylor other than a stat sheet? I sure as hell have, and from watching Taylor live I can say from a first hand account that he does not impress me.

Which is your "opinion" & you are entitled to such, but as you posted earlier when referring to my opinion on such matter's: "I listen to some people on this board as to thier opinion of ball players. You are not one of them." (Yes sir, it rings so true!)

Have you seen him play? Have you talked to anyone who has seen him play? I am willing to bet that the answer is no on both accounts. I have, on a few occasions thus far, and probably will agian. I am not saying that you HAVE to see a prospect play to know how good they are but it helps. If you saw Taylor and his lack of athleticisim you might say the same thing.

And Casey2884, an educated guess is not what super dave is talking about. He is talking about seeing a stat line, and assuming that is all there is to the story. To have an educated guess about the abilities of minor league baseball players, you have to do more than simply look at a stat sheet and say, damn thats good.

Another thing Casey, I do not make a living off of prospecting. But I do make money to fund my braves pc, and to go to as many ball games as I can possibly stand.

Taylor named South Atlantic League Player of the Month
Published on: 6/13/2008 via...

Blueclaws.com

I just saw this and thought how your statement is just a mere opinion. If Michael Taylor really lacked athleticism then there must be a lot of "blind" people watching him play. Evidently, enough people saw and liked what he did enough for him to earn the SAL Player of the Month!

Honestly, you have every right to downplay any player you want and I think its great that we live in a country where you can voice your opinion. But, right now I think Michael Taylor's play is overwhelming your argument about him being not being your type of par prospect. IMO, I really think you are grasping at straws.

Let me guess... You pulled a red, and then started looking at a players stats. Congrats, people are making money off of Taylor right now, and its great. I think sometimes luck = good, hell I myself have sold a few Taylor cards. But what is rediculous is how people are letting half of a minor league season elevate a player into the realm of top tier prospects. As for the SAL player of the month award, that award is purely stat based. No one is arguing that his stat sheet is not good, here lately it has been great. Mike Taylor has had a great half with the bat, but to ignore the negatives with him would be foolish.

That is why the prospects are in the minors! I mean even Heyward/Freeman have their own issues (or negatives as you like to call it). Lets not forget that the minors is the place for issues like this to be improved upon and corrected! Who's to say whatever you saw about Taylor that caused your opinion about no/little athleticism hasn't already been corrected?

Your argument gives the impression that there is no way for Taylor to continue doing what he is doing because he is 6'6" and he is too old @ 22, oh, and that he is playing against players/pitchers younger than him! The last team the they played against (Delmarva Shorebirds) shows all of their players at 21 years of age or older. Shorebirds

Again, I agree with SuprDav20 on this kid's future as possibly one of the best up and coming prospects around and while your argument may have been valid at some point, it seems baseless now.

I understand your angle.

Enjoy the Kool Aid.

[soccerman034]

Woah, this post has really exploded (why do I always end up saying that? ). What I don't get is why you guys aren't at least selling an amount of Taylor to cover your investment on the off chance *gasp * something goes wrong in your "Master Plan"; What ever happens, I am happy with my decisions and I hope you guys choose to be on the safe side, because when things don't work out, they reeeeaaaallly don't work out (i know from experience). If he turns into the next big thing, well, that good for your guys; I already made my money and have moved on to other things. If he doesn't work out, well, I still made money so who cares? This may sound self centered, but I am a little drink right now so it will have to do.....Good chat gang

[chrisgilmore]

soccerman034 Wrote:Woah, this post has really exploded (why do I always end up saying that? ). What I don't get is why you guys aren't at least selling an amount of Taylor to cover your investment on the off chance *gasp * something goes wrong in your "Master Plan"; What ever happens, I am happy with my decisions and I hope you guys choose to be on the safe side, because when things don't work out, they reeeeaaaallly don't work out (i know from experience). If he turns into the next big thing, well, that good for your guys; I already made my money and have moved on to other things. If he doesn't work out, well, I still made money so who cares? This may sound self centered, but I am a little drink right now so it will have to do.....Good chat gang

That would be WAY too logical for these guys.

[The BGS & PSA9 Collector, ThoseBackPages]

BMB sheep > Logic

[ctbinvestments]

soccerman034 Wrote:

The BGS & PSA9 Collector, ThoseBackPages Wrote:

BowmanChromeAddict Wrote:

Caniacforever Wrote:Either way, MASSIVE kudos to you both for seeing what was coming with this kid even though he was 23 in A ball. That is some great low risk prospecting there.

In all fairness, it should be mentioned that Taylor's cards were actually quite high upon release all things considered. It turns out that it has worked out great for these guys, but Taylor's cards were unjustifiably high upon release.

i agree. i dont remember Blues going for less than $15

True. I started getting his stuff at release, but I let people convince me that he was a bad investment and picked up less than I should have. I do not think he will have this kind of success in AA, and if I had any of his cards left, I would probably move them now.

+1 Been saying it for awhile. Good numbers in low A...Sell common stuff now and buyback later. I would only keep the red refs and maybe orange. You will see everything else online almost every week to buyback

[starsoftomorrow]

I've been trying to piece a few things together in this thread. I don't think anyone is trying to discredit his success so far, but mainly the two posters claims of him being a top prospect. Taylor is having a great year, but I'd still like to see him do something above Low A before we start calling him a top prospect. I'm a firm believe in the league/age correlation and Taylor doesn't match up really. There's always a handful of guys at every level that are having success due to their age, etc. Most of all though, everyone can speculate on this topic, but he has to get promoted for this discussion to go anywhere.

Side not:

All of the Taylor threads are getting a tad annoying. I know we have people with some big investments, but you don't see the majority of people here hyping their prospect every time he goes deep.

[jcmint]

starsoftomorrow Wrote:I've been trying to piece a few things together in this thread. I don't think anyone is trying to discredit his success so far, but mainly the two posters claims of him being a top prospect. Taylor is having a great year, but I'd still like to see him do something above Low A before we start calling him a top prospect. I'm a firm believe in the league/age correlation and Taylor doesn't match up really. There's always a handful of guys at every level that are having success due to their age, etc. Most of all though, everyone can speculate on this topic, but he has to get promoted for this discussion to go anywhere.

Side not:

All of the Taylor threads are getting a tad annoying. I know we have people with some big investments, but you don't see the majority of people here hyping their prospect every time he goes deep.

Amen

[nv729]

jcmint Wrote:

starsoftomorrow Wrote:I've been trying to piece a few things together in this thread. I don't think anyone is trying to discredit his success so far, but mainly the two posters claims of him being a top prospect. Taylor is having a great year, but I'd still like to see him do something above Low A before we start calling him a top prospect. I'm a firm believe in the league/age correlation and Taylor doesn't match up really. There's always a handful of guys at every level that are having success due to their age, etc. Most of all though, everyone can speculate on this topic, but he has to get promoted for this discussion to go anywhere.

Side not:

All of the Taylor threads are getting a tad annoying. I know we have people with some big investments, but you don't see the majority of people here hyping their prospect every time he goes deep.

Amen

+1
I made a thread about Taylor days ago. No need to use the gold refractor sale as an excuse to hype him up again. I mean wtih a blue refractor getting $40, isn't $100 for a gold not that amazing?

[chrisgilmore]

starsoftomorrow Wrote:I've been trying to piece a few things together in this thread. I don't think anyone is trying to discredit his success so far, but mainly the two posters claims of him being a top prospect. Taylor is having a great year, but I'd still like to see him do something above Low A before we start calling him a top prospect. I'm a firm believe in the league/age correlation and Taylor doesn't match up really. There's always a handful of guys at every level that are having success due to their age, etc. Most of all though, everyone can speculate on this topic, but he has to get promoted for this discussion to go anywhere.

Side not:

All of the Taylor threads are getting a tad annoying. I know we have people with some big investments, but you don't see the majority of people here hyping their prospect every time he goes deep.

Thank you for being rational. This is actually what I have been saying all along.