[bradyk2]

***RBRajaBell19*** Wrote:

bradyk2 Wrote:

Warriorsfan23 Wrote:

***RBRajaBell19*** Wrote:

bradyk2 Wrote:4) They have a center very comparable (if not better than) Andrew Bynum.

No.

I second that, no.

Andris is a slightly better shot-blocker and offensive-rebounder.

Didnt see that

Biedrins 1.2 blocks
Bynum 2.1 blocks

Bynum is a much better shot blocker


Ill give it to you that he is a better offensive rebounder, by .4, and on the Warriors who I would be willing to bet get the most offensive rebounds in the league, that isn't impressive.

I stand corrected on the shot blocking, although in a way that is a subjective category. Biedrins alters innumerable amounts of shots, which is just as crucial, if not more so, than blocking the shot.

As for the offensive rebounding, see what I said about Biedrins' rebounding in my last post. Ask any Warriors player and they'll tell you they had countless offensive rebounds that deserved to be on Biedrins' stat sheet, not theirs.

[bradyk2]

jeg2315 Wrote:

***RBRajaBell19*** Wrote:Bynum has almost the same stats, is younger, and has more potential. Not to mention he actually has an offensive game. Bynum>Biedrins 10 out of 10 times.

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brady2k, I think you need to be slightly less of a homer. There are too many of them among W's fans.

I am definitely not a homer, which is why you won't see me claiming Baron was the best PG, you will see me saying Baron leaving was good for the team, and you won't see me claiming the Warriors will make the playoffs this year.

I am a very open-minded fan, and am extremely eurked by biased fans. However, like I said, the stats are very comparable, and in my opinion, so are the players.

Furthermore, Jim Barnett and Bob Fitzgerald agree with me too, and they're some of the most unbiased commentators in the biz. Furthermore, they know more about the game than any of us ever will.

[***RBRajaBell19***]

bradyk2 Wrote:

***RBRajaBell19*** Wrote:

bradyk2 Wrote:

Warriorsfan23 Wrote:

***RBRajaBell19*** Wrote:

bradyk2 Wrote:4) They have a center very comparable (if not better than) Andrew Bynum.

No.

I second that, no.

virtually identical scoring, fg%, and rebounding numbers. Andris is a slightly better shot-blocker and offensive-rebounder, while Bynum has a better offensive game. Both need to bulk up, stay out of foul-trouble, and work on creating their own shot.

Bynum has almost the same stats, is younger, and has more potential. Not to mention he actually has an offensive game. Bynum>Biedrins 10 out of 10 times.

10 out of 10 times?? You apparently haven't watch Andris Biedrins play. I am far from a biased fan, but these two are very comparable.

You say that Bynum has an offensive game, as if Biedrins doesn't, and Bynum's is incredible.
Look at the numbers:

Bynum - 13.1 PPG in 28.8 MPG
Biedrins - 10.5 PPG in 27.3 MPG

And that's with Biedrins playing for a fast-break team, and Bynum in a half-court setting. Plus Bynum has Kobe, which essentially makes it 4-on-2 for the rest of the Lakers.

You also say he's younger, and has more potential. He's not even a year and a half older than Biedrins.

Potential wise, Andris has tons. This season he had the most rebounds (26, maybe?), in a game of any player. More than Bynum, DH12, KG, etc. Ask anyone who watches Biedrins, and they'll tell you for every 10 rebounds he grabs a game, he taps another 15 towards a teammate, often keeping an offensive possession alive.

Furthermore, the warriors have NO other player who can score out of the low post. The Lakers have Pau Gasol, and for the meanwhile, Lamar Odom, who does post up every now and then, as does Kobe Bryant.

Biedrins is the man down low for GS, which means he will get touches, and playing time, and a better chance to develop an offensive game.

Last but not least, stats aside, I feel that Andris Biedrins is more valuable to the Warriors than Bynum is to the Lakers. Although that may be because LAL made the finals without Bynum.

Mind you I LOVE Bynum, and he has unlimited potential. But taking off any blue and orange colored glasses I may be hiding somewhere, I feel that these two players are very comparable.

If Biedrins is "the man" down low for Golden State why did Al Harrington start at center for multiple games? Seems like they aren't very confident to me that he's "the man".

[bradyk2]

***RBRajaBell19*** Wrote:

bradyk2 Wrote:

***RBRajaBell19*** Wrote:

bradyk2 Wrote:

Warriorsfan23 Wrote:

***RBRajaBell19*** Wrote:

bradyk2 Wrote:4) They have a center very comparable (if not better than) Andrew Bynum.

No.

I second that, no.

virtually identical scoring, fg%, and rebounding numbers. Andris is a slightly better shot-blocker and offensive-rebounder, while Bynum has a better offensive game. Both need to bulk up, stay out of foul-trouble, and work on creating their own shot.

Bynum has almost the same stats, is younger, and has more potential. Not to mention he actually has an offensive game. Bynum>Biedrins 10 out of 10 times.

10 out of 10 times?? You apparently haven't watch Andris Biedrins play. I am far from a biased fan, but these two are very comparable.

You say that Bynum has an offensive game, as if Biedrins doesn't, and Bynum's is incredible.
Look at the numbers:

Bynum - 13.1 PPG in 28.8 MPG
Biedrins - 10.5 PPG in 27.3 MPG

And that's with Biedrins playing for a fast-break team, and Bynum in a half-court setting. Plus Bynum has Kobe, which essentially makes it 4-on-2 for the rest of the Lakers.

You also say he's younger, and has more potential. He's not even a year and a half older than Biedrins.

Potential wise, Andris has tons. This season he had the most rebounds (26, maybe?), in a game of any player. More than Bynum, DH12, KG, etc. Ask anyone who watches Biedrins, and they'll tell you for every 10 rebounds he grabs a game, he taps another 15 towards a teammate, often keeping an offensive possession alive.

Furthermore, the warriors have NO other player who can score out of the low post. The Lakers have Pau Gasol, and for the meanwhile, Lamar Odom, who does post up every now and then, as does Kobe Bryant.

Biedrins is the man down low for GS, which means he will get touches, and playing time, and a better chance to develop an offensive game.

Last but not least, stats aside, I feel that Andris Biedrins is more valuable to the Warriors than Bynum is to the Lakers. Although that may be because LAL made the finals without Bynum.

Mind you I LOVE Bynum, and he has unlimited potential. But taking off any blue and orange colored glasses I may be hiding somewhere, I feel that these two players are very comparable.

If Biedrins is "the man" down low for Golden State why did Al Harrington start at center for multiple games? Seems like they aren't very confident to me that he's "the man".

Harrington rarely (if ever) started at Center this season. he often started during the 06-07 season, because they were a small-ball team that tried to win on mismatches.

Al was NEVER the man down low....they just chose to start him at center to utilize the mismatches of having Yao Ming guard Al Harrington.

Like I said, Biedrins is the only low-post scorer for the warriors, and at the moment, their only legitimate rebounder.

[***RBRajaBell19***]

I realise Biedrins is their only center, and his stats are comparible to Bynum but Bynum is easily the better player right now, taking into account offense and defense, and he easily will be better then Biedrins in the future. I believe that this is as good as Biedrins is going to be, a 10 ppg-10 rpg center who is known for his rebounding and only scores off of rebounds and easy dump passes near the basket. If he ever establishes a back to the basket game I would be very suprised.

[jeg2315]

Bob is pretty biased on air. He plays puppet for a lot of Warriors PR, and Cohan has him by the balls when he's announcing.

Nellie just doesn't know how to handle big men. He has no real history of developing legit C's that are not in the mold of Dirk.

I agree that Biedrins is more important to the W's than Bynum would be. However, as a player, I'd have to take Bynum most of the time.

[bradyk2]

jeg2315 Wrote:Bob is pretty biased on air. He plays puppet for a lot of Warriors PR, and Cohan has him by the balls when he's announcing.

Nellie just doesn't know how to handle big men. He has no real history of developing legit C's that are not in the mold of Dirk.

I agree that Biedrins is more important to the W's than Bynum would be. However, as a player, I'd have to take Bynum most of the time.

Bob is the more biased of the two, but he also doesn't do the color commentary.

Nellie doesn't know how to develop big men, but this is presumably his last season with the Warriors.

I agree, I'd take Bynum most of the time too. However, I said they were comparable, not that Biedrins was better.

[Cathaytrader]

I wish Europe would come for Marbury......hell the Knicks should probably throw in QRich for free.

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[bradyk2]

Cathaytrader Wrote:I wish Europe would come for Marbury......hell the Knicks should probably throw in QRich for free.

better yet, the Knicks franchise could pull a Sonics and move to Europe!