(11-11-2013 07:13 PM)rentzington Wrote: But that's the thing impact on team isn't really part of it, and judging a pitcher on wins is about as old school as saying puig ruins he integrity of the game with his showboating
I get thinking it should be puig, really it could go either way...it would be like if trout and Harper were both in the same league up for Roy
(11-11-2013 07:19 PM)rjcj2017 Wrote: Well, Trouty would have smoked him — out-hit him by 60 points, 8 homers and about 30 steals, LOL.
But you're actually making my point — if it is based on stats only, so be it.
Fernandez's stats were not so superior to Puig's (granted, we're talking about a pitcher vs. a hitter) that we shouldn't at least have co-ROYs.
I mean, isn't a .300 batting average comparable, stat-wise, to a sub-3.00 ERA?
They're both on the superb end of the spectrum respectively.
And aren't 19 HRs in basically two-thirds of a season comparable to roughly a little over a strikeout per inning?
Oh well, at least the Marlins won something this year.
Hopefully their cheapskate, lame a-- owner has to pay him a huge bonus, LOL
(11-11-2013 07:30 PM)clarkzac Wrote: Just for a little more perspective, here's what the voting looked like
AL 1st place votes:
NL 1st place votes:
(11-11-2013 07:28 PM)rentzington Wrote: When you look at Fernandez's season it was one of the greatest rookie years for a pitcher ever. At 20 yrs old straight from high a he did this. Really it's quite phenomenal and the best rookie season since doc Gooden
(11-11-2013 08:33 PM)nolan5000 Wrote: I think you spelled the phenom word correctly, but you misspelled "absolutely".
(11-11-2013 08:29 PM)jaredhuizenga Wrote: Historic is a pretty accurate word to describe Fernandez's season. While 12-6 might not be that impressive, the Marlins were 18-10 in the games he started. In 28 starts, he only allowed more than 3 runs 3 times ... for comparison sake, Kershaw gave up more than 3 runs 4 times, albeit in 33 starts.
I'm not a fan of WAR, but a lot of people seem to. So Fernandez's WAR was 6.3 and Puig's was 5. I know it's comparing apples and oranges when comparing pitchers and position players, but it gives a reasonable idea of where they rate.
Puig had an excellent season and had he been in the AL he likely would have won. But that excellent season doesn't separate it from other rookie performances in recent years ... Fernandez's most certainly did - even on an awful team.