[hegotgame1515]

So... after adding a few MJ BGS 9.5 cards i was quickly moving up the ranks, but after a little searching of other peoples collections, it seems like a pop 50+ BGS 9.5 gets the same points as a pop 1 BGS 9.5???
Is this how the hole Rank thing works?
Just having the most graded cards will give you a better rank then someone that has rare low pop cards worth 50 times what a everyday graded card is worth?

I really hope this isn't how it works, because i just don't see the point.

[branesergen]

Yes - Best doesnt always mean highest book value. I would be pretty upset if I spent numerous hours, days, months to amass 100 Jordan cards worth $1000 and you bought 1 card worth $1000 and all of a sudden you're beating me.

You got some beautiful Jordan cards and I'm sure you wouldnt like to be sitting on top and here I come with my tax money and bought 3 cards that you couldnt afford and knocked you off the top place. The object is completion not highest value.

Also how would you calculate low pop cards? I have a pop 1 Manning card /6 should it be weighted higher than your pop 500 Jordan RC?

When the contests start up - thats when you'll see your hard work pay off.

[jeffv96masters]

Your Post made me laugh

I've heard that complaint before-- long before you came on the scene and its been going on for years . Funny how you just happen to be a Jordan guy .Must be the "competitive fire" thingy that Jordan had that oozes out into his card collectors also . The registry is not about weighing one item as being more rare than another. I've seen POP 1 items become pop too many in heartbeats. Its MORE about ones own personal satisfaction being handled-- of enjoying ones self while collecting.

Let me clue you and many others in to a battle that has raged on for years on the BGS Jordan Registry. Maybe you'll identify with # 2.

Top 2 Jordan registries I know of have been fighting it out for around 10 years to my knowledge-- 2002-03 or so.

The #1 Jordan points leader has tons of base/insert Jordan's etc. He just buys as many items as he can and keeps chugging away. Been points leader for years- his registry went private a while ago. Has tons & tons of $5-10 cheap gems, etc, etc, etc-- he just buys what he sees he needs and keeps plugging away at the points. Last I saw was at about 18-20,000 points before the registry hit the toilet. I'm sure he's well above that now. He's focused more on player registry completion than he has on rarity or points. Pretty sure he couldn't care less about missing out on rare gems. He wants player registry completion %-- the higher he goes the happier he gets that he's closer to accomplishing a completion ratio goal,,,,,

#2 Jordan collector on the registry had different goals than #1. He was all about owning the rarest of the rare and most valuable. He was pissed off for many years. He's always been upset his rare Jordan's were not given the proper "respect" and made complaints similar to your own. He owned more rare, expensive, difficult slabs etc, etc, etc than # 1 had yet was in second place on total points/registry completion etc. I know he hated being # 2 and years ago he made it known in a post . He's close on points ( was at 16,000+ before the registry fiasco)= but won't ever catch up because frankly he desires rarity over amount.

He has a multi hundred card registry made up solely of Pristine 10 Jordan cards== and many are not cheap to own. His collection should he decide to go public again would get anyone envious in its rarity, value, and uniqueness. He's got Pristine stuff worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and his collection is worth perhaps 1000 times what # 1 could get for his. He went private also.

Years ago I told # 2 he should just worry about his own stuff and not care one iota of a crap about anyone else's registry. It was his registry and frankly he shouldn't care one iota about anyone elses's "comparatives"= it should just stand on its own merits and it should damn well make him happy or he should stop ,,,,,

Its all about knowing that one has a collection of rarity, value, and respect that one can take personal satisfaction in owning and collecting.

Frankly I've never cared to hear about how wonderful, rare or expensive some guys stuff is. I always ask them the same question== " Does your own stuff bring you happiness?" or " Is your happiness based on outsiders opinions of your stuff " ?

If it brings people personal satisfaction and knowledge that their stuff is top notch-- they've accomplished the registry intent which is to collect, compete, and have fun while doing it. This is where many registry guys part with others-- its that PRIDE factor. One guys "opinion" on what makes a great registry is not what a second guys "opinion" will be. Have a registry long enough and after a while it will become apparent .

Lets just say # 2 has chugged on collecting what HE wants, what HE is aware of is rare, unique, and worthy of respect. I doubt he's given a second thought anymore to his position. He KNOWS his collection is unbeatable-- he knows his stuff is more valuable, he knows his stuff may be unique. He does it because he wants to do it. I think he sleeps very well at night knowing his rare items should they come out for public viewing again will get all the oohs & aahs they richly deserve. He just doesn't need to hear it anymore and he doesn't really care about the recognition/ respect because frankly he owns the items and its his own desires that matter.

If we can be competitive while we are at it then that's just a side benefit that can be enjoyed. But that competition should never be the reason why we collect, nor should it be about money, rarity, or respect-- it should always come back to "Does it make me happy doing this for myself ?"

My own opinion,,, good luck my friend,,,
Jeff

[hegotgame1515]

ok sure, my post may have come off like i think i deserve more credit then the next guy with less money invested...
how ever, thats not what it was about, i can't understand the point in a registry, all about numbers???
The ONLY good thing i see with it, all about numbers is...
Beckett makes more money on people slabbing cheap cards that to be honest, are not worthy of the $10 it cost to do so....

If this is all about a hobby, then you must admit, numbers = $
were as rare cards that don't grade high often should be what makes the most points....


Thats not to say,i don't slab cheap cards at all, i have about 20 $20 cards slabbed, simply because i have always loved the cards since i was a kid!

So, being a Jordan fan must mean all i want to do is win???

I for one will not buy a single card i don't like, so i will quicky be overtaken and have no problem with that....

I only joined the registry, to see what other people have and maybe find some cards i have been chasing for years...
Wasn't really going to try and compete, as i know of 100's of P.C's better then mine...
What i wasn't expecting, was to see a bunch of cards i find, not worthy of grading....

I can't say i'm a fan of the point system...
BUT, i'll sit the numbers game out, and join a few contest's when they begin...

NOT all Jordan fans are overly competitive....

[branesergen]

Jeff that was an awesome read! Loved every word of it.

Hegot - While I see your point and agree mostly with what you're saying I gotta disagree on "worthy of being graded" Personally I love ALL graded cards. I submit some weird cards just because I want to see/own them in a slab. Heck I'm working on getting every single 05-06 Jenny McCarthy basketball release slabbed just because thats what I want in my collection.

[hegotgame1515]

(03-13-2013 12:06 PM)branesergen Wrote:  Jeff that was an awesome read! Loved every word of it.

Hegot - While I see your point and agree mostly with what you're saying I gotta disagree on "worthy of being graded" Personally I love ALL graded cards. I submit some weird cards just because I want to see/own them in a slab. Heck I'm working on getting every single 05-06 Jenny McCarthy basketball release slabbed just because thats what I want in my collection.

all good, i understand some people might like the numbers thing, but its not something i'm into...
I see it like this...
Anyone can buy 200 cheap graded cards off ebay and have a rank better then someone that has spent years finding cards that are some of the most sort after cards to own...

Why its not all about the rare cards is beyond me...

I was trying to add some cards i have, but a few are in the top registry's even though they don't own them....
lol

Anyway, all good, i collect cards i like and always want my cards in gem/mint condition, so it wont stop me collecting MJ 9.5's anytime soon...

[jeffv96masters]

Hesgotgame-- trust me I totally understood your post. Well aware of all their competitors registry contests, the weighting aspect, the rarity factoring, the recognition dinners, etc, etc, etc. Don't think that BGS isn't aware of their competition either.

The whole purpose of the new custom registry portion of the registry is so that precisely what people are asking can occur,,,,,, if someone wants it to be about the money, or the rarity factor ,or whatever.

Want it to be about the rarity of say a whole slew of 1990's Jordan inserts that cost a bundle ? Create a custom registry of all the rare cards that others can compete against ,,,, define what cards should be in that custom registry ,,,, after you chose the cards involved and save go back and start entering slab numbers,,,, others will see that custom registry when they search for that player .set, manufacturer or whatever -- someone may decide to go compete against that custom registry,,, now its about the rarity factor,,,,

Want it to be about completion percentage? Create a master registry and start plugging away,,,,

Want it to be about sheer difficulty of finding some cards? Again-- a custom registry that picks out just the rare cards that are hard to find ,,,,

For now BGS will get the registry up to snuff, roll out the tweaks and software upgrades til its running smoothly-- then & only then starting to look into competitions that bring in competitive factors such as weighting , rarity, & the like . But thats down the line AFTER they've banged out the software issues and tweaked it to smooth operation.

Jeff

[dmasci]

Hey Jeff...maybe you can answer a question I have. I collect mostly vintage cards and I try to keep my registries basic rather than master thinking that is how to differeniate between a players regular cards and all the money making cards that the card companies release well after the player stopped playing.

I want to see how my individual player collections compare to other basic only collections. For example, if I want to compare my collection of John Unitas to other but only those that do not include some kind of silly legend card from 2004 that has a 9.5 but only the vintage cards with a high grade. Is there a way to do that or do you just have to look at them all to see what's inside?

[jeffv96masters]

(03-14-2013 11:51 PM)dmasci Wrote:  Hey Jeff...maybe you can answer a question I have. I collect mostly vintage cards and I try to keep my registries basic rather than master thinking that is how to differentiate between a players regular cards and all the money making cards that the card companies release well after the player stopped playing.

I want to see how my individual player collections compare to other basic only collections. For example, if I want to compare my collection of John Unitas to other but only those that do not include some kind of silly legend card from 2004 that has a 9.5 but only the vintage cards with a high grade. Is there a way to do that or do you just have to look at them all to see what's inside?

Yes you can,,,,

I went in and chose "custom" registry then went and individually check marked the items I wanted to put in a Unitas registry- in this case I decided I'd like to collect everything 1974 & prior ( see my custom registry UNITAS EVERYTHING 1974 & PRIOR )

You can check mark whatever you want-- for another example I created a "Basic Topps" registry of just pure regular issue Topps cards done during his playing days and pre-market saturation crap HERE

You can make it so people can compete against it by merely going back to your MY REGISTRY homepage, going to where it lists your registries and clicking "Modify" then choosing "Enable competition". This way if someone now wants to compete against that Basic Topps Unitas registry I just created they can click on that example I just made and start entering their slab numbers

Hope these examples help,,,,
Jeff

p.s. Remember to click "show all cards" to see what cards are in the registry it defaults to the slabs that were entered- in these examples I didn't have slab numbers to enter

[coimbre 21]

SGC's registry provides a Power Rating for each card. Using the 1972 O Pee Chee set as an example, the tougher and more desirable cards factor into the Set Superiority and the collector/registry is rewarded accordingly. Clemente's card has a Power Rating of 8 vs Walt Williams who only has a rating of 1 because the Clemente is scarcer and more expensive to acquire.

At the end of the day though, there are choices and I prefer Beckett for Grading, and I don't care if my highest graded BVG 5.5 and ultra scarce 1966 Topps Venezuelan Yastrzemski counts the same as another collector's regular U.S. 1966 Topps Yaz or any other Yaz in the registry. I have a pretty rare card and I'm fine with that.