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(12-13-2012 04:46 PM)joe callahan13 Wrote: Ummmmm, that means nothing. Go check Ebay for the 2009 NT patch autos that are numbered to 99, even. You will find at least 100 that have truly sick patches. National Treasures is like this all the time. Those /99 crazy sick patches, by the way? They don't say prime. Not only that, but the Marino prime is numbered to the same amount as the one that isn't prime. Here's an example of one I found on Ebay that's numbered to 99 and NOT considered "prime".
That is one sick patch. That is just standard National Treasures operating procedure. And to answer your second question- no, we definitely cannot trust BGS to know what every card looked like coming out of the factory to compare it to what it looks like now. Especially in cases like National Treasures that has a history of doing things just like this, every year. You pay them for their educated opinion, and they give it. That's all grading is.
(12-14-2012 11:11 AM)bakerman8419 Wrote: I wouldnt say it means "nothing" and here is why. Retired vets have a limited amount of game worn patches available and a high end product like NT isnt going to make the mistake of adding prime patches to base versions. Is it possible? Sure. Likely? No.
(12-14-2012 01:52 PM)kstjst Wrote: I took a look at Panini's website to see what you guys were discussing. And lo and behold, Panini itself has a similar patch on the sample card they have posted to this exact card listing. So, I'm going to say that the card is legit.
(12-14-2012 03:11 PM)joe callahan13 Wrote: It's not only likely, it's definite. They do it EVERY year. Every single year, NT is full of these instances.
(12-14-2012 03:55 PM)bakerman8419 Wrote: Feel free to post a link to where you found this info. Id appreciate it. Thanks.
(12-14-2012 05:32 PM)kstjst Wrote: Here's the link:
If it's not pulling up properly, go to the Panini website, under checklist, type=football, year=2009, brand=playoff, program = national treasures, cardset=timeline-signature-materials-custom names. First card in the list is the Marino with a picture.
(12-14-2012 05:58 PM)bakerman8419 Wrote: I appreciate the info bud. I never knew Panini showcased a preview on some cards like that. However this proves nothing. They used the same photo for both base and prime variations. Plus Im not sure the pic they show is of an actual card or a digital copy.