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(12-13-2012 11:36 AM)jacobystealshome Wrote: defensively: benny is up there, so was charles johnson (if we are gonna talk about defensively underrated)
all-time? id give it to ivan rodriguez for defense, and a lot of that has to do with how good he was for how long. really kind of incredible
(12-13-2012 12:05 PM)uvaspina Wrote: As a Tigers fan, I liked pudge and appreciate what he did and meant to our franchise. He was definitely the catalyst behind the Tigers recent rise to respectability. Although I never subscribed to the belief, there were always loud whispers that he was overrated defensively and sacrificed a lot of game-calling aspects of the game to boost his CS numbers. (eg., with 2 strikes and a runner on, he didn't like calling for offspeed pitches.) Maybe that was only the case in his later years as he had to "cheat" a little to keep his percentages up. Hard to argue with the fact that he was one of the best all-around catchers ever.
-Also, although the Tigers kept it relatively quiet, he was involved in some clubhouse turmoil in his last season in Detroit. It seems weird that he had to bounce around his last few years. As a fan, I thought he had something left to give the Tigers, but apparently the ones who mattered thought differently. It's not like the Tigers had someone waiting in the wings either. (Laird?)
(12-14-2012 02:54 AM)nolan5000 Wrote: I didn't know Ivan "Pudge" played for the Tigers.
(12-14-2012 03:27 AM)djohn Wrote: He also played for the Marlins, Astros, Yankees, Nationals, and of course the Rangers.