(06-09-2012 01:04 AM)xstreaminsanity Wrote: I'm not necessarily going to say which one I think is better per se, but I would rather have Kobe on my team than LeBron. To say which one is better, there is a LOT more involved than just MVP voting if you ask me. Records for when that player is out, how well that player plays through adversity, the "clutch gene", the ability to make their teammates better, and so many other factors. I don't believe MVP is the only thing to take into consideration.
Again, not saying Kobe is better than LeBron, but you have to think of it this way as well in terms of Kobe's championships. Shaq did win those Finals MVPs, and he was very talented. However, he was much bigger than most of his one on one opponents and had it not been for Kobe, he may have been doubled or tripled each time he got the ball. With Kobe, Shaq's abilities may have been able to shine more (making your teammates better, even when not trying). The coaches may have worried more about Kobe's ability to get hot more than Shaq (kind of foolish at the time). So because of Kobe, Shaq was amazing and because of Shaq, Kobe was amazing.
Another argument for Kobe, though again, I'm not saying which one is better (I think Durant is better all around and will continue to get better which is scary), Kobe came onto a team that was already well established and he wasn't expected to come in and save the team. His first two years, he sat a lot on the bench and didn't get very many minutes. He's progressed through his career and been pretty consistent.
Point of my argument, LeBron and Kobe are different in many aspects which makes comparing them pretty difficult. They play different positions, have major different physiques, and came into the league in different eras and played in different conferences. There's no simple (look at the awards, etc.) solution to determining who is better. I think Durant is better than both of them (currently) and will continue to get better (I hope), but of Kobe and LeBron, I would rather have Kobe on my team than LeBron. Hope that's a good enough debate for you. Night, I'm tired.
(06-09-2012 01:54 AM)mkimura Wrote: Lebrons versatility makes him the better player. In looking at the overall game a Lebrun it's clear he has a more complete game. It is far to say that we can count on both players to put up big scoring numbers, but lebrons ability to guard everyone from the point to the power forward makes him Valuable. Also he is a more efficient scorer. The other main aspect is that lebron is a super star that knows how to pass which is rare. The only thing I give Kobe is his ability to make the last shot which is pretty big but not enough to make him more valuable then lebron
(06-09-2012 08:00 AM)chrisa19978 Wrote: Oh and I know why you dislike Lebron James as he went off on your Detroit team to score all the 4th quarter points to take it to overtime and score all but a few points in overtime to beat them.
(06-09-2012 01:45 PM)xstreaminsanity Wrote: lol. I'm not that petty. I didn't pick Kobe or LeBron as a better player. I am not really a fan of either of them per se. But if I had to choose who I wanted on my team, it would be Kobe, not LeBron. My main reason for that is because Kobe has proven to be pretty clutch. LeBron can just as easily take over a game, and not to go against Doc Rivers' request, but LeBron does seem to disappear more often than not in crunch time/games. Now, maybe what LeBron said is the block he had and he'll never have that problem again (about him trying to prove everyone wrong rather than just playing), but I can't foresee the future. Kobe has a history of coming up big late in games and taking over games just as much as LeBron has. LeBron is more of a team player. However, I think the defense part may not be a fair comparison. LeBron is much taller and has a bigger frame. He is even more athletic. However, Kobe is a very good (not great, but good) on ball defender. He's not going to have monstrous blocks nor collect 10+ rebounds in a game, that's not his position. LeBron could darn near play Center if needed.
As far as the Durant thing, I agree, Durant may be 1 step behind LeBron. LeBron is 26/27, Durant is 23, so Durant is a freak. The only thing Durant has to work on is defense some. With his size and athleticism, him and Ibaka should be fighting for the blocks lead on the team. Durant has that "clutch gene" as Steven A Smith puts it, LeBron doesn't (or hasn't). Durant paces himself in the game so he knows he can go just as strong if not harder at the end of the game. But all three of these players play different positions (sorry, with LeBron's size, I really think he should be a PF, not an SF even with his freakish athleticism). They are all the best at their positions. Of who I would want on my team (not who I think is better, and I do see there being a difference) it would be Durant, then Kobe, then LeBron. Durant has a trump card because of his character. If they ever decided to rename the Sportsmanship Award, currently named after my favorite player Joe Dumars, I would hope Durant would get that honor.
But yeah, I don't dislike someone for going off and beating my team. If anything, I'd be more upset at my team as everyone is stoppable, you just have to put forth the effort. He did what he is capable of doing, and should do, every game. I won't dislike someone for doing what they're capable of. lol.
(06-09-2012 02:59 PM)chrisa19978 Wrote: I know that was not the real reason but just had to mention it as that was a clutch as you can get. Kobe might be a better clutch player but my point with Shaq he got his 1st three rings and took a ton of pressure off of him for the other 2 he won. Lebron is still searching for that first one and pressure has been a factor on why he didn't win and no supporting cast till last year and this year and his first championship could be huge for the rest of his career. Everyone knows the first one will be the hardest to get. Getting down to the final 2 teams I can't imagine the pressure that will be on everyone and then the possibility of it being your first which is going to be the most special one. After that when they get there again its will not be will this be Lebron's first ring and more so can he do it again.