(05-03-2012 06:02 PM)rjcj2017 Wrote: Sorry everyone, but as basketball collectors we win first prize as Guys Who Got Screwed The Worst by Panini this year.
A grand total of five products, no rookie cards, just one retail set.
Yep, we win. Or lose.
(05-03-2012 07:11 PM)adamslogik Wrote: Personally, I like the designs of elite. I think that the problem is THE COLLECTORS. Everyone is so hung up on needing fantastic patches and autographs that they've gotten away from what my opinion is the most important part of the Hobby... collecting cards that LOOK great.
In my humble opinion, I love that Panini have put alot of thought and effort into their GORGEOUS insert sets. I really miss collecting beautiful insert cards that won't cost me an arm and a leg.
Elite is an awesome product, because not only do they deliver some hits, but just about EVERY pack has a nice looking insert or parallel.
Alot better than opening packs of Black Diamond, SPA or Series 1, Half of the packs have nothing but base. Even when they have inserts, they are plain and ugly (Hockey Heroes, All World team, essentials, etc....)
The problem is that COLLECTORS drive the value of these inserts down, because without an Auto or Patch, no one is willing to pay anything more than $0.99 on ebay for them.
It sickens me that the hobby has gotten to this point, aesthetic appeal counts for ZERO anymore. All that counts are Autos and Patches.
(05-03-2012 07:11 PM)adamslogik Wrote: It sickens me that the hobby has gotten to this point, aesthetic appeal counts for ZERO anymore. All that counts are Autos and Patches.
(05-05-2012 12:31 AM)swjrp10 Wrote: you want my opinion on what's killing values for the hobby (you probably dont want it, but I'm givin it to you anyway!), the INTERNET! ...now bare with me while I explain my case...
*Back in the day prior to the internet, if there was a single that you really really wanted, how did you get it? you either bought it from your LCS at full BV or traded for it with someone you knew. Your sources for where you could find said card were limited, so you had little choice to pay close/full BV for a card you wanted.
*with the internet, now you have 1000s of people that have the same card, all of whom are willing to sell it. It's easier than ever to find any card you want! If you wanted a card of X player /50 back in the day, you had to pray you either pulled it or the LCS had it. Now 49 of the 50 can be found on an auction site! This forces sellers to have to one-up each other price wise in order to sell their card. If seller A wants 50 for a card, the only way I can guarntee I sell mine is to sell mine for 45, and so on and so on (I call it the Walmart-vs-Main St. Effect!).
*These price wars/ease of access essentially kill "book value." Tons of people we all know won't even buy at BV because "it's cheaper on ebay" (no that's not a slam at anyone, it's being smart. why should I pay full price when ebay has it for half).
Does over production/similar products play a part, of course, but at the end of the day, its simple economics...supply vs demand, and the internet has made the supply reach gargantuan proportions!
Just my 2 cents!