[nolan5000]

(03-25-2012 05:22 PM)sonnyday Wrote:  Ummm, think you are missing the point. What's the point in offering sub grades if your customers are not privy to how you derive the final grade.

I guess you've missed the point too then!!

[jchavestx]

Well since you seem to be the resident PSA expert on this forum, tell us how PSA determines the final grade of a card? All you get from them is a single number and qualifiers.

(03-25-2012 05:22 PM)sonnyday Wrote:  Ummm, think you are missing the point. What's the point in offering sub grades if your customers are not privy to how you derive the final grade.

[sonnyday]

(03-25-2012 07:12 PM)jchavestx Wrote:  Well since you seem to be the resident PSA expert on this forum, tell us how PSA determines the final grade of a card? All you get from them is a single number and qualifiers.

We were questioning the publication of the algorithm used by BGS, and you chimed in with a non relevant answer.

Here is how PSA determines the final grade, it was found on their website.
http://www.psacard.com/services/psa_grad...ards.chtml

[jchavestx]

Just like you chimed in too right?

I found the same grading faqs on the BGS site http://www.beckett.com/estore/helpsys/vi...ticleId=47

That still doesnt explain why a particular score on any individual card PSA graded. Seems like you get very defensive when it comes to PSA and their sub-standard slabs.

[sonnyday]

(03-25-2012 07:36 PM)jchavestx Wrote:  Just like you chimed in too right?

I found the same grading faqs on the BGS site http://www.beckett.com/estore/helpsys/vi...ticleId=47

That still doesnt explain why a particular score on any individual card PSA graded. Seems like you get very defensive when it comes to PSA and their sub-standard slabs.

I'm not getting defensive at all, all I asked is why BGS doesn't publicize their Algorithim. It would likely answer a lot of questions in collecting community on how they derive their final grade.

[wthishappening]

It's probably not a difficult equation to figure out if you had the time, it would just take some tinkering. I would compare it to why so many kids don't understand why they are failing high school English.

In Class participation: 100
Home work: 100
Quizzes: 75
Tests: 50

325/4= 81%

Unless...
In class = 5%
Homework = 10%
Quizzes = 25%
Test = 60%

Which would make your course average a 63%!!

[nolan5000]

(03-25-2012 07:12 PM)jchavestx Wrote:  Well since you seem to be the resident PSA expert on this forum, tell us how PSA determines the final grade of a card? All you get from them is a single number and qualifiers.

Great point!!

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(03-25-2012 07:36 PM)jchavestx Wrote:  Just like you chimed in too right?

I found the same grading faqs on the BGS site http://www.beckett.com/estore/helpsys/vi...ticleId=47

That still doesnt explain why a particular score on any individual card PSA graded. Seems like you get very defensive when it comes to PSA and their sub-standard slabs.

Another really Great point!!

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(03-25-2012 07:42 PM)sonnyday Wrote:  I'm not getting defensive at all, all I asked is why BGS doesn't publicize their Algorithim. It would likely answer a lot of questions in collecting community on how they derive their final grade.

I already told you. The algorithm is proprietary.

[sonnyday]

(03-26-2012 05:57 AM)nolan5000 Wrote:  I already told you. The algorithm is proprietary.

And I already told you, Proprietary is just a definition of ownership.

Where did you learn that companies cannot disclose proprietary property? Proprietary property consumes are everydays lives, and every company has proprietary property they choose and choose not to share with the public.

Example:

Public Proprietary Property: An Applebee's Restaurant Menu

Private Proprietary Property: How they establish their retail price over their actual food costs.

Now lets say Applebees wanted to make their Menu Private Proprietary Property. Well that would suck for the average consumer going into one of their restaurants to eat. Well Applebee's chooses to make their Menu public, which in turn increases sales.

Now BGS has every right to keep their algorithim (if one exists) private, but they can also make it public.

In my opinion, from a BGS Executive standpoint...unless they are lagging in business or facing severe criticism, there is no reason for them to do so. But from a collector's standpoint..I would love to see how they derive their final grade.

Heck, we don't even know that an algorithim truly exists.

[nolan5000]

(03-26-2012 08:56 AM)sonnyday Wrote:  Heck, we don't even know that an algorithim truly exists.

It exists.

[sonnyday]

(03-26-2012 09:11 AM)nolan5000 Wrote:  It exists.

So does the Lochness Monster.