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(12-28-2011 10:20 AM)got watcha want Wrote: Think of all the collectors that collected a set of Topps or Upper Deck from every year they could. They can no longer chase those sets with reguards to NBA cards. Some master collections/collectors just stopped.
Think of all the STAPLE inserts and parralels that we are missing out on now. I am sorry, but a Panini Spectrum card does a poor job of replacing a Refractor. There are collectors that chase only gold refractors from Topps Chrome and Topps Finest. The gold refractor RC cards were the only high end RC cards that didn't have a piece of jersey or an auto on it.
(Yes, believe it or not collectors still enjoy rare rc cards when they don't include an auto or jersey piece.)
UD is not really gone, I can still get SP authentic, but in collegiate form. But I DO MISS TOPPS and their customer service. I don't need a flashy site I need quick responses from reps and fast fullfillment of redemtions and Topps does it all. UD and Panini lack in both.
(12-28-2011 11:39 AM)quavis Wrote: I agree with everything you said. The thing I liked about UD, is UD Black and Exquisite. if Panini could put out a product that looked as cool as those, I bet the complaints would be less. it seems all their attempts fall just a bit short.
(12-28-2011 12:54 PM)vgqv Wrote: I know, I know, if you don't have anything nice to say then don't. But seriously, how many times is this going to be discussed? The same arguments and the same points are drawn up every time. Some people miss upper deck. Some people miss topps. Some people miss upper deck & topps. Some people like Panini, and thats ok. I'm not one of those people.
But there is something I want to say about Topps customer service. Go back to the 08'09 card season. I had an assortment of redemption cards Topps owed me. I waited for my cards as usual only to find out when they were finally shipped, they had been automatically replaced. No phone call by a Topps rep, no e-mail, nothing.
A 08'09 Topps Chrome Darrell Arthur autograph rc was replaced with a 08'09 Topps Signature Spud Webb auto.
A 08'09 Topps Chrome Joey Dorsey autograph rc was replaced (a good thing) with a 08'09 Topps Signature Spud Webb auto.
A 07'08 Topps Letterman Ray Allen team logo autograph patch was replaced with a 08'09 Topps Signature Isiah Thomas auto.
A 08'09 Topps Co-Signers Rondo/D. Harris dual auto was replaced with a 08'09 Topps Signature John Havlicek auto.
"Each card was replaced with a card of equal value...". I like how all my replacements were from ONE product, a product I'm not a fan of because I think it was some half-@#$$(@ set put together to get rid of Topps' surplus stickers JUST before they lost their NBA card license. Nobody asked me what I wanted or preferred etc. is what upset me. I had no choice, I was stuck with what they gave me. Mind you, they used a same card twice as replacements for me. Topps is no saint.
(12-28-2011 01:06 PM)xstreaminsanity Wrote: I'm glad you posted that, I had heard they used Spud's AU in many replacements, but to do that twice for one customer is very sad. I mean, it doesn't put them in the same boat with what I hear about Panini or Upper Deck, but that's certainly not quality assurance. Thank you for posting that.
And the reason why I posted it again was because a lot of people (on many sites) have made it seem like Upper Deck and Topps should be the only options as far as cards go; that nobody else in the world has any idea how to make good cards. Now, I can see situations like "got watcha want" said where there are collectors who collect a set from that brand every year. Ok, I can feel their pain as I'm a set collector too. And then nobody has refractors like Topps does, so I can see that one as well. But when people say how crappy Panini is compared to Upper Deck and Topps and yet the evidence is clear that they are all pretty much on the same level, it baffles me (and sometimes I tend to vent when I'm baffled). Unfortunately, and hopefully not all by me, I don't expect people to stop asking these questions until either Upper Deck and/or Topps get out of cards (bankruptcy, fraud, etc.) or all three companies have a shared license.
And thanks again for that Topps info, that could be very helpful in the future.
(12-28-2011 01:25 PM)vgqv Wrote: Well, here's where I differ. I think it's more like Panini is crap compared to UD/Topps regarding card quality & card design. Yes, Panini is strides behind UD/Topps in that department. But as far as customer service, heck yeah, all 3 are on the same crappy level. The reasons I dislike Panini are reasons (for the majority, not counting how redemptions are handled & replacement cards) I never had an issue with UD/Topps. Such as card designs and card qualities. But if Panini thinks they're "all that", then why not share the contract with UD/Topps? Let the people buy what they want to buy. Give us a choice, an alternative, please. I've no problem if Panini is still around, just as long as UD & Topps are around. I simply will completely stop buying any panini products.