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(09-09-2011 08:58 AM)0mattinglyalexander0 Wrote: I don't know about Lincecum's record being "deceiving"... I guess that would make Kershaw's 3X as deceiving as Lincecum's... since he plays for a team that only has 2 bats and the world's greatest manager.
Both are awesome, but I'd take Kershaw.
(09-26-2011 06:40 PM)lridgey Wrote: Lincecum has received one run or fewer in almost half of his starts. He also received 2.8 runs per game while Kershaw received 4.4. If Lincecum received that many runs of support he would be up there in the Cy Young talk It's hard to win games when your team doesn't score runs for you. W-L is one of the most deceiving and over valued stats in baseball IMO. You can't base the effectiveness of a pitcher on their W-L record.
For all you sabermetric people out there
Lincecum bWAR in 2011 - 4.4
Kershaw bWAR in 2011 - 6.9
Lincecum Career avg. bWAR - 4.64
Kershaw Career avg. bWAR - 4.2
As a Giants fan, i do think Kershaw was the better pitcher this year. He lead the league in Wins, Ks and ERA. A pitching Triple Crown
But overall, i'd say Lincecum. He has the accolades, although i do believe Kershaw deserves the Cy Young this year.
(09-28-2011 02:29 PM)0mattinglyalexander0 Wrote: Those stats are kind of amazing considering that LA really does have about 2 bats while SF has 4 or 5. Maybe bigg time timmy jim isn't liked by his teamies ?
(12-12-2011 02:15 PM)rookies89 Wrote: THis is a great question!
Im going to have to go with kershaw because he is younger, taller, stronger and probably has a better work ethic. I do like Tim's personality, he has a ring and 2 Cy awards. As for other young pitchers there I dont feel anyone else has proven to be on their level other than Felix. Stras and that young kid for the Os have great potential but still need to produce before they get into the conversation.
Heres a new question-Will Lincecum reach the illustrious 300W mark?
(12-13-2011 02:58 PM)kinarism Wrote: Also a giant's fan here (and a Timmy fan of course)
But I say there is no way in hell that he reaches 300 simply because I believe there isn't ever going to be another 300W pitcher in baseball. The game has changed. The only active pitcher that even has a chance currently is Halladay and he still needs another 112 wins and I don't see it likely. If he pitches till he is 40 he will need to average 18+ wins a season.