[ceocards]

No chance.

[motu79]

Yeah, the 40-40 thing doesn't help his chances either. No member of that club is in the hall. j/k

Very unlikely. He may have had a better chance if he'd stayed a Yankee and continued putting up good numbers and winning championships.

[waynetalger]

He will probley make the Cubs hall of fame but not THE HOF

[sesfan01]

I do not see him going to the hall.

[86champs]

When I saw the name in the thread title and opened it up to see "hall of fame" my first reaction was that there's just no way...

[bazooka joe]

You could make a solid case for him, although I agree he probably wont make it.

Im just curious, because some people were saying "he needs to get 500 HRs", there are more ways to get in the hall than just crushing HRs. The Hall standards are going to have to be lowered if thats the case. I doubt we see many more 500 HR club members in the club.

Soriano has some really interesting stats, and it would seem odd if he didnt make the hall. But on the other hand, Im not sure he belongs in the hall.

I think it will depend on how the whole steroids thing changes voting for the HoF down the road.

[_ZENAS_]

what stats do you consider worthy of the hall?

To me, 1634 hits, 839 RBI, a .277 avg., and a .326 OBP, are nowhere even in the ballpark of a hall of famer. 314 HR isn't bad, but not close to enough to be the only stat that is hallworthy and get you in.

If Mattingly, with a .307 avg., and 500 more hits than Soriano hasn't been close, then Soriano would have to dominate the league for at least the next 6 years to have a shot. And dominating the league is far from what he has been doing.

I say no shot.

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Just checked with baseball-reference.com where they compile most of the statistical indicators using formulas to look at hallworthiness.

His Black Ink score is 14. The average HOFer is 27.
His Grey Ink score is 69. The average HOFer is 144.
His HOF Monitor score is 86. To be a likely HOFer you need a score of 100.
His HOF Standards score is 24. The average HOFer is 50.

He doesn't appear to be in line at all with a player likely to make the hall.


Further, his Similarity index which compares him to similar players across all statistical categories and career scores as listed above, compares him to Aramis Ramirez, Raul Mondesi, Torii Hunter, Troy Glaus, Jermaine Dye, Tim Salmon, Reggie Sanders, Vinnie Castilla, David Justice, and Adrian Beltre. None of those comparable players are HOFers.

[ny sports teams]

(05-10-2011 05:10 AM)bazooka joe Wrote:  You could make a solid case for him, although I agree he probably wont make it.

Im just curious, because some people were saying "he needs to get 500 HRs", there are more ways to get in the hall than just crushing HRs. The Hall standards are going to have to be lowered if thats the case. I doubt we see many more 500 HR club members in the club.

Soriano has some really interesting stats, and it would seem odd if he didnt make the hall. But on the other hand, Im not sure he belongs in the hall.

I think it will depend on how the whole steroids thing changes voting for the HoF down the road.

I never said that 500 HR's is the only way to make it into the Hall. I said that is the only way Soriano has a chance to make it into the Hall. His defense is atrocious, he is a .276 career hitter with an OBP of .325. Those stats sure as heck are not HOF worthy. Since 2006 he has not had over 19 SB's in a season. I'm not even sure if he's always been clean. JMHO but none of the Baroids, Aroids, Sosaoids, McGwireoids, Clemenoids belong in the HOF.

I've always liked Soriano and wish that they had kept him at second base. I still wonder if the change to the outfield had an adverse affect on his career...Rick

[mannyman18]

I think as soon as he shifted from 2nd base he basically blew his chance at the hall. If he could have been a career 2nd baseman with marginal defense and his offensive skills then i think he would have a chance.

[bazooka joe]

I was using the Play Index on baseball reference a few days ago looking at Soriano and his career stats. I could probably write 10 pages on this, but I will keep it brief because I agree, he SHOULDNT be in consideration for the hall now, and it would take a huge next 4 years for him to be. BUT, there are some persuasive stats out there.

First of all, as I already mentioned, Soriano is a member of the 40 HR-40 SB club. He is also the only member of the 40-40-40 club. This obviously is only a seasons worth of accomplishments, and doesnt carry much weight in a career HoF argument. It is still pretty impressive.

Next, there are some interesting groups of players that Soriano is in company with. Using Sorianos current stats (325 HRs, 860 RBIs, 375 2Bs, 260 SBs) I checked to see how many players were able to reach those totals in their careers. There are only 5 players to ever get at least that many HRs, RBIs, 2Bs, and SBs in their careers; Barry Bonds, Willie Mays, Alex Rodriguez, Andre Dawson, and Alfonso Soriano.

Furthermore, Soriano still has 3 years left on his contract I believe. I think its relatively safe to predict that he could end his career with 400 HRs, 1000 RBIs, 400 2Bs, 260 SBs. The group is still the same 4 other players, but those are some pretty solid career stats, and he is certainly in good company.

Also, if Soriano does end up with those stats by the end of the 2014 season, he will have done so in 16 seasons (which includes the first two where he only played in a combined 30 games). Bonds played 22 years, Mays played 22 seasons, Dawson played 21 seasons, and A-rod would be on his 21st season at that point in time.

So while he isnt a likely entry, and he does have a poor career average and hasnt been a great defender, his case is an interesting one. The steroid era raised the HoF standards, and now that the MLB is cleaning up the sport, the standards while likely go down. It isnt fair to compare him to the guys that are known users who have better career stats. Also, Alfonso Soriano is a unique player. He isnt a power guy like Thome for example, and he isnt a pure speed guy like Tim Raines (Both of whom I think should be in the Hall). The only people you can really compare him to, are in the Hof.