[ilovetheshootout]

+1. i read a book about how crooked ud was right from the start, how rich mcw, when calling the shots at ud, ordered re-prints of cards thought to be sp - ie french hockey and various err cards

[hckydv7]

(03-08-2011 10:28 AM)shezdoni Wrote:  Please tell me How Upper Deck is very good at buisness moves

Upper Deck is not doing good as a buisness, their sole Income is derived on Hockey cards, as they are not allowed to sell or produce anything having to do with Major League or Minor League Baseball, and the only Football they can produce is NCAA, as for Basketball Panini has that contract locked for a while as does Topps in Baseball and Minor league baseball

1. They have lost 2 lawsuits filed against them by MLB, and Konami

2. They were found guilty of producing counterfeit Yu-Gi-Oh cards, which makes you wonder how many auto's and stuff from MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA stuff is not legit, especially since most collectors cannot afford to have the auto authenticated by JSA, PSA< etc.

3. They still owe a lot of players Money, that they agreed to pay when the player signed a contract to provide auto's for them.

All of this is public knowledge that is available to read on the internet from the various courts that the lawsuits and complaints were filed in.

---

Actually Upper Deck cannot tell a distributor what Hobby Stores they can sell to and who they can't sell too, they also cannot tell the Hobby stores, etc, that they are not allowed to sell online.

Once the Distributor pays for the Merchandise, it is theirs to do with as they please, they own it, they can sell to whoever they want to, whenever they want to, for how much ever they want too.

If they want to sell it online then they are allowed to do that, Upper Deck cannot enforce any rule stating that they person who bought and paid for the merchandise from doing anything.

Upper Deck is not a Government, nor are they any legal agency, that they can make laws that override the ones that are in place by A government or it's agencies.

Yes, it will affect any pre-releases, but once the distributor/card shop etc , pays for and receives the merchandise, they can do anything with it that they want to, they can sell who they want to, they can charge what they want to, they can even burn it if they want too.

we will see how this all plays out. UD is saying that if someone is not following their rules and gets caught they will be removed from the program. An LCS would no longer be able to buy from the distributor and if they distributor still sold to them they would alos be removed. I bet though UD has a hard to enforcing the new rules just like Panini has.

[canadianhockeyfan]

Hello!

My name is Adam and I making my first-ever post on this forum!! I have been a reader of these hockey forums for over a year and a half, but have not posted mostly since I only really want to trade for low-end base cards and inserts that I don't already have, and was worried nobody would care about trading those. I don't subscribe to the OPG, nor do I really have an interest in doing so, regardless of any issues with the old or new site. I do however thoroughly enjoy looking at people's breaks and reading comments about the hobby in general. All the advice and breaks I've seen on here have really helped me since I got back into collecting hockey cards.

While this might be a strange way to make my introduction, this issue caught my interest. Normally I would not weigh in on an issue like this, but I have been empowered by the business law class I'm currently taking, and I wanted to give my (completely non-expert) interpretation.

First of all, I think I found the agreement in question online on the Upper Deck Company's website. It is available here if anyone is interested in reading it: UD Diamond Dealer Agreement. Now for the issues:

---

[quote='shezdoni' pid='1457901' dateline='1299544088']

Actually Upper Deck cannot tell a distributor what Hobby Stores they can sell to and who they can't sell too, they also cannot tell the Hobby stores, etc, that they are not allowed to sell online.

Once the Distributor pays for the Merchandise, it is theirs to do with as they please, they own it, they can sell to whoever they want to, whenever they want to, for how much ever they want too.

If they want to sell it online then they are allowed to do that, Upper Deck cannot enforce any rule stating that they person who bought and paid for the merchandise from doing anything.

Upper Deck is not a Government, nor are they any legal agency, that they can make laws that override the ones that are in place by A government or it's agencies.

Yes, it will affect any pre-releases, but once the distributor/card shop etc , pays for and receives the merchandise, they can do anything with it that they want to, they can sell who they want to, they can charge what they want to, they can even burn it if they want too.

---

My apologies to shezdoni for sticking my nose in here, but I disagree with your claims. First of all, this agreement seems to only apply to retailers, but I'm sure there is something silimilar for their distributors. By signing this agreement (a contract), Upper Deck is specifically telling retailers exactly what they can and cannot do with their products. It is then actually the role of the law to enforce this agreement if it is broken. So retailers will have to purchase current product from UD directly or from its distributors.

But once a consumer purchases a UD product, they are then free to do with it what they want, because they are not part of this contract with Upper Deck (thankfully!). In turn they could then sell it online. However I think UD is trying to limit the sale of their new product online more on a business level. So in this way it would be hard to obtain and sell large volumes online unless you were an Authorized Internet Retailer (AIR). And if you were otherwise able, then the authorized source of that product would be at risk of losing their right to sell UD product, because they violated the terms of the agreement by selling product for re-sale.

Most of the terms seem to pertain to current UD product, which as people have already mentioned is anything released in the last 90 days. The territory restrictions however, are for any UD product. So even AIRs will not be able to sell any UD product across the border. That is surely a problem for many collectors, but the most worrying thing to me is the second-to-last point. It states that "Customer service and product quality issues stemming from product purchased from an unauthorized Shop or website will NOT be accepted."

It also states that you'll need your receipt from the authorized retailer in order to file a claim. This is a real drag for me since I'm certain the local place I buy my boxes is not an authorized retailer, and there isn't another dedicated card shop anywhere nearby. I have just sent a damaged card to UD from 2010-11 SPx, and they didn't make any mention of this. But it does have me a bit worried about pulling another damaged card in the future.

Anyways, sorry for the really long post, I guess I had some pent-up writing that needed to get out.

Regards,

Adam

[arock99]

lol

what a bad move...that should help Panini if anything...

it might drive prices up but if it does there again i wont choose Upper Deck...

[hckydv7]

(03-09-2011 10:27 AM)arock99 Wrote:  lol

what a bad move...that should help Panini if anything...

it might drive prices up but if it does there again i wont choose Upper Deck...

One problem with saying this will help Panini-- they have had a similar deal in place for almost a year, but not as strict.

[rippinwax]

(03-09-2011 10:27 AM)arock99 Wrote:  lol

what a bad move...that should help Panini if anything...

it might drive prices up but if it does there again i wont choose Upper Deck...

Still everyone is missing the point here, as I stated earlier. Upper Deck still refuses to drop the price of their overpriced, empty boxes of wax. I have cracked wax for years and remember in 2005-06 you would howl when you hit something great or at least decent. I remember Trilogy for the first year. I stood at the LCS and opened 12 boxes of it and pulled Ice Script Auto's of Crosby, Gretzky, Ovy, and a couple other greats including SP's. Now you get a lot of 4th liners and you walk away unsatisfied and actually violated (my personal feelings). Its all about content and I believe content is horrible right now. The problem is the prices have not come down to reflect content nor the state of the economy. I apologize to the true collectors (fewer and fewer around) but this hobby is full of speculators and are using this as another form of the stock market. I do card shows once a month and we have an NHL team in our city and seriously I do not have an actual true collector who comes in looking for our local team's stuff. Kind of saddens me. I am an Orr collector by the way, cause I am old....lol! Take with a grain of salt all! Cheers.........

[ilovetheshootout]

how long u figure upper deck lasts in this game? i am taking a look at the other sports on dave and adams website and ud's future is lookin grim - 2 products or so in basektball and maybe 5 in football - but the players are all in their college uniforms because ud is locked out.

[mattrgoddard]

This only affects those who sell packs or boxes online correct? From what I heard at the LCS is that those who sell singles will not be affected.