[ryo1549(#1 David Thomas Collector)]

cardz2345 Wrote:Thread officially derailed, sorry!

I am of the opinion that any drug use is problematic. I do not believe in recreational use of cocaine. I believe snorting up in a car in a parking lot is a public place, as the police rolled up on them during the act. I do not believe using a McDonalds playground is an equal analogy, that's going to an opposite and unlikely extreme. I think any behavior leading to your arrest is out of control.

No point in arguing any further, as we differ in opinions. I happen to side with the law, while you think that some criminal behavior is acceptable. We can leave it at that.

Ok you're arguing with your woman. She gets upset, puts an ice pack on her face to make it red, calls the cops and says you hit her. You get arrested, this makes your behavior out of control?

When did I say that criminal behavior is acceptable? We are not talking about friggin criminal behavior, we're talking about someone getting arrested for cocaine and people saying that they have a drug problem! Where did i say criminal behavior is fine? I want to see this. If I had said 'Oh he shouldn't be arrested because it is his first time" then that would make sense, but i have not said anything like that. Don't twist my words to make you feel better about your argument.

[badmajama]

not surprised at all. I'll be surprised when there is one year an NFL player isn't arrested for something. These players are just ordinary people with the same issues and addictions as most of the public in the USA. I don't think he should be released by the team. I understand zero tolerance, but if he really has a problem the last thing that would help him is to kick him out the doors. That would hurt him more and it could lead to more abuse of the drug and if the team/staff cared about their players I think they'd find help for him first.

[bamasa37sb34]

badmajama Wrote:not surprised at all. I'll be surprised when there is one year an NFL player isn't arrested for something. These players are just ordinary people with the same issues and addictions as most of the public in the USA. I don't think he should be released by the team. I understand zero tolerance, but if he really has a problem the last thing that would help him is to kick him out the doors. That would hurt him more and it could lead to more abuse of the drug and if the team/staff cared about their players I think they'd find help for him first.

Of course, that could all depend on his personality. If he's still on the team he could have an "it's ok to do this, just better be more careful" reaction, but if he gets kicked off and he can't live his life as normal, that might be more of a wake up call. Or he could spiral downwards. Good thing there are psychologists with PHds to figure this stuff out:lol:

[mustangcobra44]

deathwished13 Wrote:

cardz2345 Wrote:Thread officially derailed, sorry!

I am of the opinion that any drug use is problematic. I do not believe in recreational use of cocaine. I believe snorting up in a car in a parking lot is a public place, as the police rolled up on them during the act. I do not believe using a McDonalds playground is an equal analogy, that's going to an opposite and unlikely extreme. I think any behavior leading to your arrest is out of control.

No point in arguing any further, as we differ in opinions. I happen to side with the law, while you think that some criminal behavior is acceptable. We can leave it at that.

Oh snap a new member said case closed!!

everyone go home folks threads over.:roll:

Dang!! And I was just getting ready to post. Oh well, maybe I'll get in on the next "player X in trouble with the law for ...." thread. Shouldn't be too long of a wait though.

[badmajama]

bamasa37sb34 Wrote:

badmajama Wrote:not surprised at all. I'll be surprised when there is one year an NFL player isn't arrested for something. These players are just ordinary people with the same issues and addictions as most of the public in the USA. I don't think he should be released by the team. I understand zero tolerance, but if he really has a problem the last thing that would help him is to kick him out the doors. That would hurt him more and it could lead to more abuse of the drug and if the team/staff cared about their players I think they'd find help for him first.

Of course, that could all depend on his personality. If he's still on the team he could have an "it's ok to do this, just better be more careful" reaction, but if he gets kicked off and he can't live his life as normal, that might be more of a wake up call. Or he could spiral downwards. Good thing there are psychologists with PHds to figure this stuff out:lol:

True. I just hope if the team does decide to keep him that he doesn't think I'll just try harder not to get caught. At least he can afford a good counsler.:lol:

[Jasonluckydog17(aka:cpantherpower)]

badmajama Wrote:

bamasa37sb34 Wrote:

badmajama Wrote:not surprised at all. I'll be surprised when there is one year an NFL player isn't arrested for something. These players are just ordinary people with the same issues and addictions as most of the public in the USA. I don't think he should be released by the team. I understand zero tolerance, but if he really has a problem the last thing that would help him is to kick him out the doors. That would hurt him more and it could lead to more abuse of the drug and if the team/staff cared about their players I think they'd find help for him first.

Of course, that could all depend on his personality. If he's still on the team he could have an "it's ok to do this, just better be more careful" reaction, but if he gets kicked off and he can't live his life as normal, that might be more of a wake up call. Or he could spiral downwards. Good thing there are psychologists with PHds to figure this stuff out:lol:

True. I just hope if the team does decide to keep him that he doesn't think I'll just try harder not to get caught. At least he can afford a good counsler.:lol:

Nice sig....

[morrizk]

ryo1549(#1 David Thomas Collector) Wrote:

cardz2345 Wrote:

ryo1549(#1 David Thomas Collector) Wrote:

cardz2345 Wrote:

ryo1549(#1 David Thomas Collector) Wrote:Why is it if someone gets arrested for something 1 time and they have a problem? How do you know he does it on occasion for fun or if it was his first time or something? You don't.

Yeah, Jones could have his cocaine habit completely under control. Getting arrested one time doesn't mean that his recreational drug use has spiraled out of control. Sheesh!

Huh?

I kinda figured that might fly right over your head...

The answer to your bolded question is a resounding YES.

A professional athlete doing drugs in a public place - even one time - indicates he has a problem. There is no such thing as a one-time use that is acceptable. It shows poor judgment to say the least, but it is probably an indicator of more serious problems that most likely require professional help.

And just for the record, no one gets caught their first time...

Over my head?


Your first statement says

Quote:Getting arrested one time doesn't mean that his recreational drug use has spiraled out of control.

This would reiterate what I was saying.

It does not mean he has a problem. He was not in a public place, he was in an unlit parking lot in his car. That is not public, public would be on a mcdonald's playground. It does show poor judgment I'm not saying it wasn't, I am just saying that someone partying does not mean he has a problem. He obviously played a full season of football, people who have issues with the white girl are not able to do so. Besides, don't they get tested regularly?

I'm sorry, but I think getting arrested for cocaine most definitely IS a problem. We're not talking about a traffic ticket or something. The dude got arrested for cocaine possession, and is charge with a felony. THAT's a problem. Call it "partying" or whatever you want, but getting arrested for something that is a felony is a big problem.

[freeney9329adaai]

Cutting lines of coke and resisting arrest sounds fun to me. I don't see a problem here, probally a one time thing. :lol:

[cardz2345]

ryo1549(#1 David Thomas Collector) Wrote:

cardz2345 Wrote:Thread officially derailed, sorry!

I am of the opinion that any drug use is problematic. I do not believe in recreational use of cocaine. I believe snorting up in a car in a parking lot is a public place, as the police rolled up on them during the act. I do not believe using a McDonalds playground is an equal analogy, that's going to an opposite and unlikely extreme. I think any behavior leading to your arrest is out of control.

No point in arguing any further, as we differ in opinions. I happen to side with the law, while you think that some criminal behavior is acceptable. We can leave it at that.

Ok you're arguing with your woman. She gets upset, puts an ice pack on her face to make it red, calls the cops and says you hit her. You get arrested, this makes your behavior out of control?

When did I say that criminal behavior is acceptable? We are not talking about friggin criminal behavior, we're talking about someone getting arrested for cocaine and people saying that they have a drug problem! Where did i say criminal behavior is fine? I want to see this. If I had said 'Oh he shouldn't be arrested because it is his first time" then that would make sense, but i have not said anything like that. Don't twist my words to make you feel better about your argument.

I'm not trying to twist your words at all. I'm just saying you can't have it both ways. If you consider casual cocaine use as not a drug problem, then you are accepting the criminal behavior associated with it.

[J-Rob7]

Why even do coke? You blow a line, and 15 minutes later, you come off it feeling worse than before, dying for another line to bring you back up. Next thing you know, $300 up your nose in one night.