05-26-2014, 03:02 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-26-2014, 03:58 PM by cardariffic.)
RE: BVG vs PSA???
RE: BVG vs PSA???
(05-01-2014, 02:56 PM)ricelynnevans75 Wrote: Well, since these are "plain hard facts", I'm assuming you've asked "most" of the people that grade cards with PSA why they do so? Because, you know, facts require things like actual evidence and stuff. Secondly, read what you typed. If a grading company has a history of grading softer and they are cheaper, why would someone submit to them knowing they are receiving inferior quality and, in turn, why would people pay the prices they do for such inferior quality?
I'm pretty sure I didn't state that you said "ALL" PSA graders fit the description. And again, "most". You'd have to get a pretty good sample size of PSA graders to ask in order to make that assertion valid.
I'm pretty sure I could. Loads of people do this between the various grading companies. Secondly, if BGS IS stricter/tougher/whatever, why would someone purchase a PSA graded card in the first place only to submit to BGS if it's "supposedly" going to come back at a lesser grade anyway or, at most, equal to the PSA grade? Doesn't sound like a very economic shopper to me.
You should re-read what I said. I said, and I quote, "The numbers given by any grading company are meaningless without a definition". This was in response to why people compare a PSA 10 and a BGS 9.5, which are assigned a grade based on the definitions applied to the grade which in this case is Gem Mint. However, now that you've acknowledged the definitions, I'm curious why you would then turn around and compare a PSA 10 to a BGS 10 since the definitions are vastly different, much more so than comparing a PSA 10 and BGS 9.5. To go further, even the definitions are meaningless unless they are accurately applied to the card based on the definitions/standards.
Again, application of the standards. And yes, I realize all grading companies make errors.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Topps-Chrom...SS:US:1123
You know this for a fact how exactly? Oh, this must be all those people you asked. Here's a hint, just because that's what you believe does not make it fact.
Again, application of the stipulations. It means more? Based on what the definition? Uh huh......... Granted, this is one example, but you should go do a search of completed listings for BGS and PSA 9 Derek Jeter 1993 SP. Larger sample size in that grade for the card. On a side note, I also only looked at completed auctions and not BIN.
Yes they do.
I could go and disect each and every one of your comments as you did on my posting. But, Im not going to do that because you keep trying to divert the point of my posting. Heres my main point once again, the majority of COLLECTORS grade with BGS, while the majority of GRADERS (people who are in it for the sole purpose of making money) grade with PSA. Im not talking about buying or selling or anything else. Its plain and simple. I need no evidence or study to prove this. The proof is in the pudding. There is nothing to argue, its just the way things are. There will always be a company willing to give better grades for a cheaper price. There is a REASON BGS has made a name for themselves in the grading world. That reason is trust. If you or anyone else really feal the need to defend PSA or the long line of other grading companies that try to emulate what BGS does for less money and a cheaper product you need to take a hard long look at the reasons why. What would your reasons be for grading with PSA or some other company, Rice75?
As far as the questions you asked me, I dont think youre properly understanding what it is that I am saying. First off I would NEVER suggest taking a PSA graded card and sending that into Beckett to see what you get back. I can however understand how someone would desire their PSA 10 to be a BGS 10. Look at the comparison of prices between ANY BGS 10 graded card and ANY same card graded "10" by PSA. You will see the cold, hard facts I am talking about. The whole issue that I have which Ive stated before and will state again is that PSA 10's are NOT equal to a BGS 10. Furthermore, it is decietful and IMO false advertising to slap a 10 grade on something and then just lower your standards from others. Some one who does not know this FACT could be easily duped into buying an inferior card and have a false belief that their PSA 10 is the same as a BGS 10. I will go so far as to say that there should be a single standard definition for all grading companies to give a 10 grading to a card. I also feel that BGS's definition is as good as it gets and should be the standard. I know this will never happen. But, those of us who know BGS's definition IS the golden standard for highest quality will continue to posses the finest graded examples available and will pay the premium prices that these examples deserve.
As well, you are either trying to side step or you are simply not understanding what I am saying about BGS 10's compared to PSA 10's. OF COURSE the definition of a 10 is what matters, and yes they are different for BGS and PSA. PSA 10's BY DEFINITION are inferior when compared to a BGS 10 DEFINITION. So, what is the point you are trying to make? I know what my point is and yes, it is a FACT. PSA grading standards are inferior to BGS standards. Therfor, any example of a PSA graded card will be an inferior card compared to the same graded score assesed by BGS.
(05-02-2014, 03:04 PM)ricelynnevans75 Wrote: 93 people, 1 common denominator. Pretty sure the problem doesn't lie with the 93 of us.
Again, you are misunderstanding...he is saying YOU are the 1. We are the 93. Get it?
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