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(03-01-2012 10:41 PM)walth4 Wrote:  I've heard a few rumblings about 4SC trimming cards, but I think those cases are pretty rare. I personally have no problem with NESC and their raw cards; I just think in the back of my mind that most of the time I'm not gonna get the grade I expect if I sub the cards. If I want some nice raw cards, I'd definitely go that direction.

I've heard that since 4SC is a pretty big PSA customer, they work some deals that if cards don't come back as 9's or 10's (give or take on age), PSA doesn't get paid for the low grade cards. It may be just my imagination, but there are some 9's that I've bought as upgrades from 4SC, and the 8 that I replaced it with looked MUCH better. I'm pretty sure that the graders wouldn't know who the sub was from and make decisions based on that. I would be severely disappointed if someone told me otherwise. But on the other hand, PSA probably wants to make their money instead of returning cards that don't meet 4SC's deal.

I'm in no way ripping on NESC and 4SC in these posts. I've spent large chunks of money with both and been very satisfied. It's interesting to hear of other peoples dealings with these people.

Honestly I think 4SC has a great business model. The amount of inventory and variety they offer is impressive. I gotta imagine they get a smoking deal on grading fees.

I'm with you man. You pretty much outlined everything that has ever crossed my mind regarding both and provided new insight too.