[aikmancollector8]

When it comes time to HOF voting, statistics aren't the bottom line. A great example is Joe Namath (HOF) and Ken Stabler (Jail). In some areas, Stabler has better stats than Joe Namath, so why isn't he in the HOF? Its because of the impact you make on the game and the legacy you leave behind!

Had Edgerrin James stayed in Indy and played in that high powered offense and had he won a Superbowl, with the stats he has, he'd be a potentially first ballot HOF'er. Indianapolis went on to prove that they could be as good if not better without Edgerrin James. James got greedy, he saw money only and went to Arizona, one of the NFL's smallest market teams and got lost in the crowd of NFL players. What has Edgerrin James done? He's ran the ball when it was in his hands, period! He hasn't elevated the Cardinals level of play. He hasn't brought them to the playoffs or win a championship.

Look at his stats, he had 2 monster year (1999, 2000) and then he became just an average RB.

Whether or not Edgerrin James gets in, I don't care but IF he does it will be only after a long wait.

[dfr52]

If he would retire today he'd have a shot at the HOF, but wouldn't be a first ballot candidate. Edge can still put up good numbers and another 1,000yd. season is possible, especially if the offense is improved. The line he has played w/ the past 2 yrs. has not been good, so getting 1000yds. is pretty solid considering who he has been running behind. Having a 1,000 yds. almost every year, except due to injury, is a nice stat as is over 11,000yds. and 70TD's in his career. Voters will remember him being part of dynamic offense w/ the Colts and his ability to twice grind out a 1,000yds. on below avg. team. If he finishes w/ better stats he should be a first ballot candidate.

[meloman315]

i dont think he will...his injurys just ruined that i think.look at terrell davis i know edge has been able to play longer but i dont think he will get in

[shaft478]

If James continues to play decently well for a few more years I'd have to vote for him. He'd have had a career similar to Curtis Martin and we all know Martin is definitely getting in. If he had stuck with Indy for that Super Bowl win this wouldn't even be an argument.

[88horsepower]

The fact that Edgerrin James left Indy and then the Colts won a Super Bowl means nothing. Please don't pretend that Joseph Addai was an improvement over someone of James' calibur. Edgerrin and Dominic would have been an even more devastating tandem and I think it's safe to say the Colts wouldn't have been a worse team with James on board. Nothing against Addai, but James is a superior player, even to this day. This brings me to my next arguement...

Edgerrin James leaves Indy, a team with a devastatingly effective offensive line, and goes to Arizona. Nonetheless, Edgerrin rushes for 1,159 and 1,222 yards during his two years in the desert. That's mighty impressive considering Arizona's weak offensive line. Furthermore, I'd like to respond to this statement:

aikmancollector8 Wrote:What has Edgerrin James done? He's ran the ball when it was in his hands, period! He hasn't elevated the Cardinals level of play. He hasn't brought them to the playoffs or win a championship.

Really? The year before Edgerrin showed up in the desert, Arizona's top rusher was Marcel Shipp, who ran for 451 yards. As a matter of fact, Arizona's team rushed for 1,138 yards in 2005. Edge rushed for 1,159 yards by himself the following year, his first with the Cardinals. That said, please don't tell everyone that Edgerrin didn't elevate the Cardinals' level of play. He's bested their rushing single-handedly. As for the Cardinals not getting to the playoffs, you understand that football is a team sport, right? I guess Braylon Edwards hasn't helped the Browns enough because he hasn't brought the Browns to the playoffs or a championship . That statement is as ludacris as saying Edge hasn't done the same for the Cardinals. Edgerrin, like Braylon, has improved his team, and just because they haven't made the playoffs doesn't mean he's not helping his team.

[aikmancollector8]

88horsepower Wrote:The fact that Edgerrin James left Indy and then the Colts won a Super Bowl means nothing. Please don't pretend that Joseph Addai was an improvement over someone of James' calibur. Edgerrin and Dominic would have been an even more devastating tandem and I think it's safe to say the Colts wouldn't have been a worse team with James on board. Nothing against Addai, but James is a superior player, even to this day. This brings me to my next arguement...

Edgerrin James leaves Indy, a team with a devastatingly effective offensive line, and goes to Arizona. Nonetheless, Edgerrin rushes for 1,159 and 1,222 yards during his two years in the desert. That's mighty impressive considering Arizona's weak offensive line. Furthermore, I'd like to respond to this statement:

aikmancollector8 Wrote:What has Edgerrin James done? He's ran the ball when it was in his hands, period! He hasn't elevated the Cardinals level of play. He hasn't brought them to the playoffs or win a championship.

Really? The year before Edgerrin showed up in the desert, Arizona's top rusher was Marcel Shipp, who ran for 451 yards. As a matter of fact, Arizona's team rushed for 1,138 yards in 2005. Edge rushed for 1,159 yards by himself the following year, his first with the Cardinals. That said, please don't tell everyone that Edgerrin didn't elevate the Cardinals' level of play. He's bested their rushing single-handedly. As for the Cardinals not getting to the playoffs, you understand that football is a team sport, right? I guess Braylon Edwards hasn't helped the Browns enough because he hasn't brought the Browns to the playoffs or a championship . That statement is as ludacris as saying Edge hasn't done the same for the Cardinals. Edgerrin, like Braylon, has improved his team, and just because they haven't made the playoffs doesn't mean he's not helping his team.

Both players, Edgerrin James and Joseph Addai were benefited by playing in a pass happy offense. Had Edgerrin James stayed in Indianapolis he would have had 1) Better stats and 2) More national recognition. Instead, he takes the money and goes to a small market franchise where again, he does NOTHING to seperate himself from the other RBs in the NFL. Again, he does not improve the Cardinals team as a unit, sure he increased the Cardinals rushing yards as a team but what overall effect did that have on the team? Edgerrin James, compared to other full time RBs has been nothing more than average since going to Arizona and guess what? Average RB's don't make the HOF. Was he great in Indianapolis? Yes! Is he great in Arizona? No!


Rushing Yds 2006-12th 2007-7th
Avg/Attempt 2006-45th 2007-37th
YPG 2006-17th 2007-13th
TDs 2006-20th 2007-11th

Again, to clarify, I didn't say Edgerrin James wouldn't make the HOF. I said that going to Arizona hurt his chances and that IF he does make it, it'll be a long wait.

[dfr52]

aikmancollector8 Wrote:

88horsepower Wrote:The fact that Edgerrin James left Indy and then the Colts won a Super Bowl means nothing. Please don't pretend that Joseph Addai was an improvement over someone of James' calibur. Edgerrin and Dominic would have been an even more devastating tandem and I think it's safe to say the Colts wouldn't have been a worse team with James on board. Nothing against Addai, but James is a superior player, even to this day. This brings me to my next arguement...

Edgerrin James leaves Indy, a team with a devastatingly effective offensive line, and goes to Arizona. Nonetheless, Edgerrin rushes for 1,159 and 1,222 yards during his two years in the desert. That's mighty impressive considering Arizona's weak offensive line. Furthermore, I'd like to respond to this statement:

aikmancollector8 Wrote:What has Edgerrin James done? He's ran the ball when it was in his hands, period! He hasn't elevated the Cardinals level of play. He hasn't brought them to the playoffs or win a championship.

Really? The year before Edgerrin showed up in the desert, Arizona's top rusher was Marcel Shipp, who ran for 451 yards. As a matter of fact, Arizona's team rushed for 1,138 yards in 2005. Edge rushed for 1,159 yards by himself the following year, his first with the Cardinals. That said, please don't tell everyone that Edgerrin didn't elevate the Cardinals' level of play. He's bested their rushing single-handedly. As for the Cardinals not getting to the playoffs, you understand that football is a team sport, right? I guess Braylon Edwards hasn't helped the Browns enough because he hasn't brought the Browns to the playoffs or a championship . That statement is as ludacris as saying Edge hasn't done the same for the Cardinals. Edgerrin, like Braylon, has improved his team, and just because they haven't made the playoffs doesn't mean he's not helping his team.

Both players, Edgerrin James and Joseph Addai were benefited by playing in a pass happy offense. Had Edgerrin James stayed in Indianapolis he would have had 1) Better stats and 2) More national recognition. Instead, he takes the money and goes to a small market franchise where again, he does NOTHING to seperate himself from the other RBs in the NFL. Again, he does not improve the Cardinals team as a unit, sure he increased the Cardinals rushing yards as a team but what overall effect did that have on the team? Edgerrin James, compared to other full time RBs has been nothing more than average since going to Arizona and guess what? Average RB's don't make the HOF. Was he great in Indianapolis? Yes! Is he great in Arizona? No!


Rushing Yds 2006-12th 2007-7th
Avg/Attempt 2006-45th 2007-37th
YPG 2006-17th 2007-13th
TDs 2006-20th 2007-11th

Again, to clarify, I didn't say Edgerrin James wouldn't make the HOF. I said that going to Arizona hurt his chances and that IF he does make it, it'll be a long wait.

Putting up 1,000yds. two years in a row for the Cardinals is a feat. An average back couldn't do this. If he retired today there might be a wait, but if he keeps having good seasons he should be in on the 1st or second ballot.

[golfman61]

And if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.

The fact is they are not equal. Edge has played a year less and he still has Tiki beat. Not only that but tiki had a fumbling problem.


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Ha, ha that made me laugh. I think Edge will be in and Corey Dillon is a better comparison to edge than tiki is.

[bloomis1307]

Nikateen Wrote:I am not so sure I would even rank Bus ahead of Edge, people forget just how amazing Edge was. Bettis basically did nothing his last 4 years and just padded his stats. Curtis Martin, no doubt was better then both of them though, imo. Edge reminds me of Torry Holt, both pretty much locks for the HOF and people forget just how good (Holt still is) they are/were.

how can you say that??? Based on your logic all edge did last year was pad his stats....bettis was once one of the most feared backs in the nfl to tackle. He was top 3 right below barry sanders for how many seasons?? but to answer the original question i find that the HOF is for the players who at the time DOMINATED the game on all levels at the respective position or was the major reason why a particular team was succesful (ie namath). Right now you could say curtis martin LT tom brady and peyton manning ray lewis are all HOF first ballots but i think edge will find his name in a category with art monk and kenny stabler...good stats but will probably be waiting a while to get in if he does at all

[golfman61]

aikmancollector8 Wrote:When it comes time to HOF voting, statistics aren't the bottom line. A great example is Joe Namath (HOF) and Ken Stabler (Jail). In some areas, Stabler has better stats than Joe Namath, so why isn't he in the HOF? Its because of the impact you make on the game and the legacy you leave behind!

Had Edgerrin James stayed in Indy and played in that high powered offense and had he won a Superbowl, with the stats he has, he'd be a potentially first ballot HOF'er. Indianapolis went on to prove that they could be as good if not better without Edgerrin James. James got greedy, he saw money only and went to Arizona, one of the NFL's smallest market teams and got lost in the crowd of NFL players. What has Edgerrin James done? He's ran the ball when it was in his hands, period! He hasn't elevated the Cardinals level of play. He hasn't brought them to the playoffs or win a championship.

Look at his stats, he had 2 monster year (1999, 2000) and then he became just an average RB.

Whether or not Edgerrin James gets in, I don't care but IF he does it will be only after a long wait.

Wow you have no clue what an average running back is. The league average is way below 1,000 yards and that includes the stats that the greats like LT put up. A average RB would be a starter in Atlanta or a back up most other places and put up 750 yards on 300 carries equaling less than 3 yards per carry. Edge is way way better than that. Average I think not.