[filamuraireborn]

(03-17-2011 05:08 AM)pingbling23 Wrote:  28 pts, 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block a game (career averages) doesnt speak to loud to you? those are impressive numbers, and now he is sharing the spotlight with 2 other players and is only scoring 2 points less a game. since the heat owned the lakers this year in the regular season, i think its conceivable that they could beat them in the playoffs.

No, it does not. Even if you yell, it won't impress me. His LeChokeNess is more notable to me than his season averages.

I believe they can't beat the Lakers in the PlayOffs.

Peace to all LeBron James fans/collectors/investors,
Peter(Larry Bird and Magic Johnson fan & collector)

[pingbling23]

please explain how he chokes. also, his playoff stats are better then his regular season stats, 29 pts, 8 rebounds, 7 assists, 1 steal and block per game. ofcourse, i respect your opinions but i would like to know what makes you think he is a choker. mike and mike in the morning did a stat check about shooting percentage in the final stages of the game and lebron was up at the top. i believe the cavs should have won at least one championship but they got out played by teams that were playing better at the time, and this happens, but i dont think lebron choked.

[filamuraireborn]

(03-18-2011 10:56 AM)pingbling23 Wrote:  please explain how he chokes. also, his playoff stats are better then his regular season stats, 29 pts, 8 rebounds, 7 assists, 1 steal and block per game. ofcourse, i respect your opinions but i would like to know what makes you think he is a choker. mike and mike in the morning did a stat check about shooting percentage in the final stages of the game and lebron was up at the top. i believe the cavs should have won at least one championship but they got out played by teams that were playing better at the time, and this happens, but i dont think lebron choked.

You are asking an explanation on why he is a LeChoke. Yet you have already made your statement on why you do not think he is a LeChoke. I don't want to further discuss this topic because certainly you will try to argue your point of view. I know you said you respect my opinion, so let us leave it like that.

I will humbly stay away from this thread. Thank you for your understanding and being mature for letting me leave, pingbling23.

=D

[chrisa19978]

I am just tring to understand something. Shooting 50% is a good average so if he makes the big shot in half the games to win wouldn't that make him good you have pointed out one game so far. Don't just point out the negitives. Cleveland did nothing to help Lebron in my opnion and I feel thats wht he left. Since you wanna point out how bad he is in the playoffs also let bring back a game where it was in the playoffs against Detroit where he scored all but I think one or two points in the 4th quarter and overtime to win the game. What dose that say about the guy? Besides an old beat up Shaq last year what has Cleveland done for him. Look at them before he came and look at them after he left. There were and are one of the worst teams in the league before arriving and leaveing. In the year Wade won he had atleast a decent supporting cast with a couple year younger Shaq who was doing alright. Lebron is the best player on the team because he is willing to share and pass the ball. Lets look at stats comparing the 2 teammates for this season. From what I see Lebron James gets more points, assists, rebounds, and is a better 3 pointer shooter. The stats Dwyane Wade won were by the sligest ammont. I would of added steals but they were both tied so I left it out. Now please explain why you feel why it would matter because to me either one could take the final shot but the best player on the team is Lebron James as the stats prove it. Please stop hating on the man because he left Cleveland and has no rings yet. I find it funny you can rember how Wade did in the finals and how he won the MVP but coudn't remember what I believe to be the single greatest performance ever that Lebron had in the 4th quarter and overtime to win the game a few years ago.

Points James 26PPG Wade 25.5 Winner Lebron James
Assists James 7.1APG Wade 4.4 Winner Lebron James
Rebounds James 7.7RPG Wade 6.7 Winner Lebron James
Turn Overs James 3.5TOPG Wade 3.2 Winner Dwyane Wade
3 Point Percentage James 33.3% Wade 30.3 Winner Lebron James
Field Goal Percentage James 49.4% Wade 49.6% Winner Dwyane Wade

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Lets see if you remember this game.

May 31, 2007

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. (AP) -- LeBron James grimaced, limped up to the podium and plopped into a chair behind a microphone.

It was the only time he looked human all night.

James had already used every ounce of energy to put together one of the most spectacular performances in playoff history, lifting the Cleveland Cavaliers to the verge of their greatest season.

James' career playoff-high 48 points -- including his team's final 25 and 29 of its final 30 -- carried Cleveland within a win of the NBA finals for the first time in franchise history with a 109-107 double-overtime victory over the Detroit Pistons on Thursday night.

[chrisa19978]

I was hoping someone had a responce to my Post I guess all the negitive comments have been proven wrong with stats.

[filamuraireborn]

No. The stats is not related on how LeBron James chokes under pressure in the last minutes or in the final shots to make his present team win that game. Stats are mostly related in the past and pressure is mostly related in the present. Although we are all talking about his performances in the past to prove our own point of views. I don't need to give specific examples to prove my point. I also do not need to hear every one of you to point out that his stats are better or the best or is improving as time goes by. Stats is not all I am looking for to completely asses a player's ability to win games for his own records and/or for his teams records. LeBron James is not poor in this category and I will gladly accept that but he is not the best player in his present team. I will not name the best player of his present team but I do know that there are people here in this forum who can find the answer. I hope you try to understand my point of view or my opinion if you would like to label it as an opinion. Now, I will humbly stay away from this thread again until someone will try to taunt me or anyone who has posted here stating that LeBron James = LeChoke under pressure.

Peace to all LeBron James fanatics/collectors/investors,
Peter(a Larry Bird & a Magic Johnson fanatic & collector)

[chrisa19978]

You still only pointed out his last game and when someone shoots 50% you think only half the time will he make the game winning shot normally the misses are always forgotten after he makes a game winning shot. To me the coach is going to make his best player shot the final shot. Seeing Miami has 2 of the best player in the game right now it could be either of them. So my debate is all the hate on a guy who left a team to better himself and to win championships. I can remember game winning shots he has made also. Your debate was for one shot in one game. So what would you be saying if Wade took the shot and missed? I think you would be saying nothing. There has never been a player to make all his game winning shots its part of being human. So please stop with all the hate there both great players and eithger or could take the big shot.

[filamuraireborn]

(03-19-2011 05:29 AM)chrisa19978 Wrote:  You still only pointed out his last game and when someone shoots 50% you think only half the time will he make the game winning shot normally the misses are always forgotten after he makes a game winning shot. To me the coach is going to make his best player shot the final shot. Seeing Miami has 2 of the best player in the game right now it could be either of them. So my debate is all the hate on a guy who left a team to better himself and to win championships. I can remember game winning shots he has made also. Your debate was for one shot in one game. So what would you be saying if Wade took the shot and missed? I think you would be saying nothing. There has never been a player to make all his game winning shots its part of being human. So please stop with all the hate there both great players and eithger or could take the big shot.

You are clearly making assumptions now. Where did I mention in my previous post that I am only pointing out a game? Where did I mention that Dwyane Wade is this or that? Where? Please try to read my previous post again. Please be sure to notice every single word and every single meaning of my words in my previous post. Please, stop trying to point out things that are not totally relevant on my previous post or posts. This thread is a good thread, it is only you who is trying to make some notable posts on this thread. Unlike Pingbling23, you are not mature enough to understand what I am trying to say. If you continue this, you'll be the last one who will post a last reply on this thread and this thread will die because of your doing. So, please try to read my post carefully and try to be understanding. Thank you in advance.

[chrisa19978]

Do you have stats to prove Wade is a better Closer than James? I am sure there is a percentage somewhere that you can look up till then I believe either one could close the game. I have never said it should just be James my point is they both could. As they both have. The post began with he keeps choking but only talked about last weeks game. With only 22 losses for the year and 67.6% winning percentage how dose he continually fail? Then he talks about the 2006 NBA Finals as if it is the deciding factor. People go on steaks for 4 plus games at a time who's to say he didn't have that happen. Lebron was wrong with saying it was his team but he could of done that out of emotion or to protect eveyone else on the team after the loss. To put to perspective my case is the initial post the guy thinks Wade should take all the final shots and I believe it should be either one or the guy who is wide open because there all NBA players so they have to be able to shoot pretty good. You can believe what you want but I still believe eveyone is hating Lebron for leaving Cleveland but remember Wade is the one who picked him up and asked him to join the team.

[filamuraireborn]

I believe that I am not a LeBron hater and I am not fooling myself or anyone. Your stats and numbers are good points. I will appreciate that. I don't know who said he will continually fail or fall. Hmm, I just don't know who said that. James is a good player and very athletic but I know sometimes his emotions for the game is holding him on the dark side(of the force). Yes, Dwyane Wade picked up the King and a great third Miami Heat Star, that is very true. I know so many people who hate LeBron for leaving Cleveland and I know how he left them hanging in the air with hopes that he might stay on Cleveland before everybody saw the conclusion of his long interview. I am a Boston and a Los Angeles fan in the NBA. I even like all the teams of California in the NBA, including D-League and WNBA. I know we can relate to each other about this feeling on the sport of basketball. Thank you and God Bless you.