Is it a Memorabilia Card or Not!?

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Is it a Memorabilia Card or Not!? - tracy hackler - 01-16-2009 01:44 AM

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It’s not often that the seemingly mundane task of classifying a type of trading card sends two normally mild-mannered adults to the verge of fisticuffs. But that was the surrealistic scene that unfolded yesterday afternoon just outside my office.
Bill Sutherland, Beckett’s Director of Data Publishing, and Tim Trout, Senior Market Analyst, were red-faced, raise-voiced and at each other’s throats about whether or not Press Pass’ Wheels American Thunder Thunder Road insert set should be considered a memorabilia set.
Sutherland, a 30-year hobby veteran who had acquired a Dale Earnhardt Jr. version of the card in an online trade, was miffed upon initial inspection. He thought he was receiving a race-used tire memorabilia card. That is, a card with a piece of race-used tire. Trout, also a 30-year hobby veteran and Beckett’s racing expert, vehemently defended his decision to tag them as memorabilia cards.
The duo proceeded to pass the card around the office in an attempt to gain support for their respective positions, and still couldn’t assemble a consensus.
Upon closer inspection, it’s quite the card conundrum. On the surface, the card doesn’t look like a memorabilia card. But turn the card over and you discover that the ink used to print on the card is made from race-used tires.
Hmmm . . .
Press Pass has been employing the concept on a handful of inserts since 1999. Ten years later, they’re still causing confusion. So, we open it up to you. You tell us: Is card that uses ink made from race-used tires a memorabilia card?
Let us know your thoughts and we’ll reward the most compelling response with a racing memorabilia card (presumably one that doesn’t cause a debate).

Is it a Memorabilia Card or Not!? - stlmkiiisupra - 01-16-2009 01:54 AM

I don't have a good reason when I say that in my opinion these cards are not memorabilia cards. I treat them as just another insert and won't include them in a race used for race used type of trade.

Is it a Memorabilia Card or Not!? - leafschik1967 - 01-16-2009 02:23 AM

That's a tough one.  I'd be inclined to create a new category for these cards.  They really aren't memorabilia cards, in the traditional sense, so rather than shoehorning them into a category that doesn't suit them, I'd just create a new category.  Something along the lines of "Game Used Construction" or "Printed with Memorabilia Materials".  I'd rather have weird and accurate than simple and 'wrong'.

Is it a Memorabilia Card or Not!? - corbins sports cards - 01-16-2009 02:33 AM

I consider them a memorabilia card. Lets take some other sports for example. On some of the rookie jersey cards you get with football, basketball and so on, it is considered a memorabilia/game used card. But on many of them, if you turn the card over, it says the piece of jersey was worn by the player during a photo shoot. A PHOTO SHOOT!!!! COME ON NOW. It was worn for 5 minutes and taken off, but collector's out there go crazy for the stuff. I personally want something that was worn during an actual game, like it should be, not during a photo shoot. So if the front of the card is covered with race used tire material, I believe it should be considered a memorabilia card. You are at least getting something that was used during a race. Thanks have a good day.

Is it a Memorabilia Card or Not!? - stlmkiiisupra - 01-16-2009 04:39 AM

corbins sports cards Wrote:I consider them a memorabilia card. Lets take some other sports for example. On some of the rookie jersey cards you get with football, basketball and so on, it is considered a memorabilia/game used card. But on many of them, if you turn the card over, it says the piece of jersey was worn by the player during a photo shoot. A PHOTO SHOOT!!!! COME ON NOW. It was worn for 5 minutes and taken off, but collector's out there go crazy for the stuff. I personally want something that was worn during an actual game, like it should be, not during a photo shoot. So if the front of the card is covered with race used tire material, I believe it should be considered a memorabilia card. You are at least getting something that was used during a race. Thanks have a good day.

Partially true, but you don't have "manufactured" or "event" worn materials in racing, and personally, I know of no one who would be excited to own those types of cards. Tire cards have never been very popular until late when there where actual multi colored, interesting pieces of tire swatches. I've been collecting racing since 1991 and through all the people I have met in the hobby, very few consider "race used tire printing technology" to be exciting and at the level of an actual race used card. There is no way to know where it came from or which driver used it, and that cuts out a lot of collectors.

Is it a Memorabilia Card or Not!? - kdscards - 01-16-2009 05:34 AM

To me it should only be a mem card if I can touch the piece of memorabilia. 
 
Whether or not it is photo shoot or game worn, it is still memorabilia. 
 
But this card doesnt have memorabilia on it like any traditional memorabilia card and shouldnt be included as a memorabila card. 
 
So my  vote is a big NO to this set being memorabilia cards

Is it a Memorabilia Card or Not!? - shelbysaleen - 01-16-2009 05:35 AM

By most that actually collect racing these are inserts and not race used cards. Since there is nothing that stipulates the tire usied to print these came off of any particular car. 
 
To me these cards are no different than the cards that have preprinted autographs. No one labels them as autograph cards. 
 
It is an excellent insert but it is not race used. 
 
Its like taking your sister to the prom, you may have had fun but when you get home you know you didnt get anything. 'HOPEFULLY'

Is it a Memorabilia Card or Not!? - yankeefan741939 - 01-16-2009 05:49 AM

I think that they are not memorabilia cards. you cant feel, or really even see, the "memorabilia". its just ground up rubber shot onto the card during the printing process. you cant even touch it at all because it is covered up by the material used to hold the ground up rubber onto the card. If you cant feel the piece in question & not tell what it is, it doesnt count. Its a unique card, & a pretty good concept, but nowhere close to a race used memorabilia card. number em, call em inserts, call em paralells, but dont call em memoribilia cards. just my 2 cents

Is it a Memorabilia Card or Not!? - TQ - 01-16-2009 06:12 AM

I would not consider this a memorabilia card. I would like to see and feel the memorabilia as it was to consider it as such and not in some other post-processed material! If you took a baseball player's bat, processed it into paper and used that to make the card, would that be a bat card? I don't think so!

Is it a Memorabilia Card or Not!? - ninjaone - 01-16-2009 06:48 AM

TQ Wrote:I would not consider this a memorabilia card.  I would like to see and feel the memorabilia as it was to consider it as such and not in some other post-processed material!  If you took a baseball player's bat, processed it into paper and used that to make the card, would that be a bat card?  I don't think so!

I agree, since they actually turned the tire into ink it ceases to be a tire. Maybe they can call it a recycled card. Once ice melts it's no longer ice, it's water.