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RE: PSA 10 vs. BGS 9.5 - rusty222 - 11-29-2011 10:59 PM

(11-29-2011 02:42 PM)kurtanglerookieyear Wrote:  PSA 10 = BGS 9.5. No one makes any bones about this issue and it is fully understood in the market.

The two posters criticizing BGS seem to have an agenda and I don't buy it. One stop on feebay and it's plain as day that a BGS 9.5 is much more coveted than a PSA 10. And quite frankly, I'm sick of seeing 80's hockey psa 10's with edges that look like a bandsaw.

You can make the argument that vintage collectors prefer PSA for their history and their reputation with older sportscards. But there is no doubt whatsoever that modern collectors prefer BGS.

Well I won't deny I may have an agenda but I still stand by my previous post. There was just a PSA 10 that just sold for $400+ with many different bidders while the bgs 9.5 same card listed for $199 cannot get a single bid. This is not uncommon either. Everyones entitled to his/her own opinion of course. Attaching flee bay links in case anyone has doubts.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/190605469367?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_1361

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400257924591?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_744wt_1344

I buy the BGS 9.5 and have it regraded as a PSA 10 its an automatic $200 profit.

I realize selling price is not everything , true collectors are not in this to sell and make money. I'm just pointing out the disparity in market values and PSA 10 own BGS 9.5 - modern card AND vintage.


RE: PSA 10 vs. BGS 9.5 - sonnyday - 12-06-2011 02:02 PM

I think there are more PSA collectors out there. I am one of them. I have a few BGS cards that are 9.5's but I like having a PSA 10.

With a 9.5 it means that there is something better lurking out there. But a PSA 10 is the highest grade by PSA, so people can brag they have perfection.


RE: PSA 10 vs. BGS 9.5 - nolan5000 - 12-06-2011 02:08 PM

(12-06-2011 02:02 PM)sonnyday Wrote:  I think there are more PSA collectors out there. I am one of them. I have a few BGS cards that are 9.5's but I like having a PSA 10.

With a 9.5 it means that there is something better lurking out there. But a PSA 10 is the highest grade by PSA, so people can brag they have perfection.

I completely disagree!! There something out there better than a PSA 10. It's called a BGS 10!!


RE: PSA 10 vs. BGS 9.5 - cylegreenwell - 12-06-2011 02:23 PM

Take a look at 89' Upper Deck Griffey's these days on Ebay. PSA 10's seem to be selling higher than BGS 9.5's. I just picked up a BGS 9.5 for $135 w free shipping. It's hard to get a PSA 10 for less than $170.

That's my example. On the other hand, the subs on my card were 9.5, 9.5, 9, 9.5. Maybe just one sub of 10 would create more demand even if the end grade was still a 9.5.

I prefer Beckett, myself, but if you're selling, you might want to do some more intense research in prices realized.

I've heard some people say that SGC is the best for grading older vintage. I can't remember what the time period is on that. Maybe pre-1940's? Anyway, does that make their grades more valuable on those cards or will a PSA or BVG demand just as much in the Market?

(11-29-2011 10:59 PM)rusty222 Wrote:  Well I won't deny I may have an agenda but I still stand by my previous post. There was just a PSA 10 that just sold for $400+ with many different bidders while the bgs 9.5 same card listed for $199 cannot get a single bid. This is not uncommon either. Everyones entitled to his/her own opinion of course. Attaching flee bay links in case anyone has doubts.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/190605469367?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_1361

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400257924591?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_744wt_1344

I buy the BGS 9.5 and have it regraded as a PSA 10 its an automatic $200 profit.

I realize selling price is not everything , true collectors are not in this to sell and make money. I'm just pointing out the disparity in market values and PSA 10 own BGS 9.5 - modern card AND vintage.



RE: PSA 10 vs. BGS 9.5 - sonnyday - 12-06-2011 04:09 PM

(12-06-2011 02:08 PM)nolan5000 Wrote:  I completely disagree!! There something out there better than a PSA 10. It's called a BGS 10!!

I said psa 10 is the highest grade psa makes, therefore there is nothing higher then a psa 10 from psa. And can you say with 100% guaranty that a psa 10 would not grade bgs 10?


RE: PSA 10 vs. BGS 9.5 - nolan5000 - 12-06-2011 04:31 PM

(12-06-2011 04:09 PM)sonnyday Wrote:  I said psa 10 is the highest grade psa makes, therefore there is nothing higher then a psa 10 from psa. And can you say with 100% guaranty that a psa 10 would not grade bgs 10?

No, but I'd say it's slim to none. Especially after its bounced around in that PSA slab.


RE: PSA 10 vs. BGS 9.5 - sonnyday - 12-06-2011 04:41 PM

(12-06-2011 04:31 PM)nolan5000 Wrote:  No, but I'd say it's slim to none. Especially after its bounced around in that PSA slab.

Just posted a great analysis of PSA 10 vs BGS 9.5. Its in another thread. Seems it is a lot more harder to obtain a PSA 10 then a BGS 9.5.


RE: PSA 10 vs. BGS 9.5 - sonnyday - 12-06-2011 06:24 PM

(11-29-2011 02:42 PM)kurtanglerookieyear Wrote:  PSA 10 = BGS 9.5. No one makes any bones about this issue and it is fully understood in the market.

The two posters criticizing BGS seem to have an agenda and I don't buy it. One stop on feebay and it's plain as day that a BGS 9.5 is much more coveted than a PSA 10. And quite frankly, I'm sick of seeing 80's hockey psa 10's with edges that look like a bandsaw.

You can make the argument that vintage collectors prefer PSA for their history and their reputation with older sportscards. But there is no doubt whatsoever that modern collectors prefer BGS.

I do not believe this to be true in the market. In fact not even close. Many collectors know that PSA is a much tougher grader. Just look at the statistics of grade percentages versus total cards submitted. It is mind boggling. Its as if BGS hands out 9.5's. While a PSA 10 is much harder to obtain then a BGS 9.5

I do many group submissions where we submit up to 1,000 cards at a time. My PSA slots fill up in less then a week. My BGS slots dont fill up in 30 days.

So in my mind, there is no doubt whatsoever that the modern collector prefer PSA.


RE: PSA 10 vs. BGS 9.5 - nolan5000 - 12-06-2011 06:33 PM

(12-06-2011 06:24 PM)sonnyday Wrote:  So in my mind, there is doubt whatsoever that the modern collector prefer PSA.

How interesting. With this sentence you just contradicted yourself.


RE: PSA 10 vs. BGS 9.5 - sonnyday - 12-07-2011 04:33 PM

(12-06-2011 06:33 PM)nolan5000 Wrote:  How interesting. With this sentence you just contradicted yourself.

Sorry, typo, I have sausage fingers