[htoutlaws]

Deleted it Nittany.

[ginge01]

To expound a little further on the most recent ginge01 posts, I too noticed these omissions years ago. The post below is from page 2 submitted in 2009.

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Concerning the 2002 Score Originals, those are indeed already listed in the OPG. I think 57 of these auto cards are listed and some players are featured multiple times. I think I recall there are at least four short printed Kearse ones listed alone.

Hi Nittany, thanks for the update, I was too lazy to reread 45 pages, , not even making page 2!!!

I included the 2002 Score Originals Autographs as reference in case that was what collectors thought it was, you are correct, Kearse in 2002 has a 1999 #ed to 9, 2000 #ed to 7 & 2001 Score #ed to 8 as well as a 2001 Select version #ed to 6, 4 versions in all for a total of 30 autos, these are in the OPG.
My Testaverde auto is different to your scanned one so it's not a 1 of 1!!!

So the list for Beckett OPG etc to be added, if you are reading Beckett, please update,

2001 Select autos (print run unknown)
058 Randall Cunningham
137 Kerry Collins
147 Vinny Testaverde (at least 2 copies exist)
207 Jevon Kearse.

Any additions?

[jjoy]

Nittany good to see you back on here!
Here are some more additions. It is amazing what variations you can find just by browsing COMC. I just got these all in the mail from there. This first one is the canton bound insert set from 1994 select. There is a red version and gold version. Beckett just lists one version. The gold has a little rougher feel on the surface. I believe it is the dufex version. Beckett lists Dufex in the team pinnacle set but not on this.

The next parallel is not listed either but with so many different variations on this I can understand why beckett couldn't keep up. These are the gold helmet versions of 1994 Collector's Edge FX.

This third and final variation could be a printers error but I believe due to the opaque back it is an honest parallel. Notice the gray border base of this and below it is a pink border with opaque back.

[Marinocollector]

Oh boy... lmk if you have the Marino. Those Pinnacle club cards are seriously HTF. There are actually 2 different Marino cards, only one of which is listed, but these coins are way off the radar. Nice find

Dont think Marino is in the coin set.... Looks like he has all 3 there by the numbering on the front.

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These look like printer errors. Very cool ones. Missed the whole red stamp. You can see it in the footballs.





These ones are discolored over time. Either people keeping them in showcases or owners that are smokers or have kept them in high heat areas have played with plastic cards. You'll find these problems with almost all plastic cards.

[coltsfansince85]

updated the dead link in post #444

[jjoy]

I realize you can't feel the Canton Bound cards but I can and it has more of a dufex feel like the 1994 Pinnacle Team Pinnacle cards that Beckett recognizes. That is why I don't think it's a printing error. Yes I realize plastic cards do fade but the Edge FX ones I have scanned are not faded. The back is more opaque on one and more translucent on the other. That is not from fading.

Dont think Marino is in the coin set.... Looks like he has all 3 there by the numbering on the front.

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These look like printer errors. Very cool ones. Missed the whole red stamp. You can see it in the footballs.





These ones are discolored over time. Either people keeping them in showcases or owners that are smokers or have kept them in high heat areas have played with plastic cards. You'll find these problems with almost all plastic cards.

[ginge01]

The backs of Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith are printed in reverse on the top 2 Edge F/X, not on the bottom two. The blue bar on all 4 cards is definitely printed, EDGE F/X, Coll Edge Logo and the Team NFL etc, all printed on the back only. Definitely a variant.
From Beckett Football Card Price Guide No 12 (up to 1995 releases), the description was; This seven card (Elway, Montana, Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Bettis, Anthony Miller & Sterling Sharpe) standard size set was randomly inserted into Collector's Edge packs. These cards with gold shields are also found in Collector's Edge gold packs. Cards with white backs or silver shields are inserted in Collector's Edge retail jumbo packs. Cards featuring silver or gold backs are found in Collector's Edge silver packs. Cards with silver or gold lettering are found in Collector's Edge Pop Warner packs. Also, cards with red lettering were sent out as part of the EdgeQuest redemption program. The cards are transparent with the players image and the words 'Edge F/X' located in the upper left corner. The player is identified near the bottom of the card.
The multipliers for the non base parallels were
Gold Shields 3x to 6x
White Backs .5x to .75x
Silver Shields 3x to 6x
Silver Backs .5x to .75x
Gold Backs 3x to 6x
Silver Letters same price as base cards
Gold Letters 3x to 6x
Red Letters .3x to .5x

I think you have the base and the white back parallel(from Collector's Edge retail jumbo packs).

I wish the price guide still had descriptions like this as information is lost from the 'old days' of the 1990's when card companies like Collector's Edge, Fleer, Pacific, ProLine / Proset, Wild Card disappeared, or got absorbed into others (Action Packed, Pinnacle etc). Hire me at Beckett and pay me enough, I'd happily build and update a Football encyclopedia with descriptions that would truly help collectors.

[ginge01]

1995 Signature Rookies International Franchise Duo Autographs (just a couple)

The 1995 Signature Rookies International Franchise Duos set contains a 10 card set featuring 2 rookies from that year on the front and back of each card; the autographed version noted above is the parallel set featuring a signature of one of the two players on one side of the card while an authentication sticker is on the other side. The OPG recognizes that 16 of the possible 20 (10 x 2) autographed cards in this small parallel autographed set exists.

18 different players are featured in this set meaning that 2 players are featured twice, Kerry Collins and Ki-Jana Carter. The OPG recognizes that only 1 version exists for each player in this set but that is wrong (one of the Collins shown below belongs to ginge01 - I hope your cool about that if your still out there ginge01, I used his example since mine does not have a serial number):

The players on the backsides of the cards listed above, from top to bottom, are Kyle Brady, Steve McNair, Rashaan Salaam, and Kevin Carter, respectively. So, that means this confirms that there are 18 instead of just 16 parallel autographed cards from this set that exists.

The 2 remaining autographed parallels not listed are those of Warren Sapp and James A. Smith, however I was not able to find either of those so it is perfectly plausible that those 2 never signed any so neither of those should be listed anyway. Now if later either or both are later discovered than that is a different story...

Since I am on this topic I want to run a couple things by the Beckett staff in case anyone is reading this.
1. At least a couple of the print runs are listed incorrectly. The Ki-Jana Carter listing states that only 400 exist, but as can be seen abpve both are numbered to 600. The Kyle Brady reads 242 but every one that I have seen is numbered to 300. These are minor errors that I am not too worried about though.
2. Only one autographed card is listed for each player checklist. In other words, if you take the two versions of the Collins/McNair auto cards for example, the Collins auto is listed underneath the Collins checklist but not the McNair one. Conversely, the McNair auto version is under the McNair checklist but not the Coillins autographed one. Technically both are listed in the OPG anyway, but I think both versions should be listed under the checklist of each player IMHO.

Nittany, I'm cool with you borrowing scans anytime.
Ginge01

[nittany13]

Nittany good to see you back on here!

Thanks jjoy. In recent months I have been very busy and am hoping that things settle down for me a little. I have had a chance to lurk on the forum occasionally though. I have other submissions to make once I have a chance get everything compiled.

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Hi Nittany, thanks for the update, I was too lazy to reread 45 pages, , not even making page 2!!!

I included the 2002 Score Originals Autographs as reference in case that was what collectors thought it was, you are correct, Kearse in 2002 has a 1999 #ed to 9, 2000 #ed to 7 & 2001 Score #ed to 8 as well as a 2001 Select version #ed to 6, 4 versions in all for a total of 30 autos, these are in the OPG.
My Testaverde auto is different to your scanned one so it's not a 1 of 1!!!

So the list for Beckett OPG etc to be added, if you are reading Beckett, please update,

2001 Select autos (print run unknown)
058 Randall Cunningham
137 Kerry Collins
147 Vinny Testaverde (at least 2 copies exist)
207 Jevon Kearse.

Any additions?

I thought it was possible that you already knew that Beckett was already aware of the Kearse auto variations, ginge01, and I should have noted that. I just wanted to let you know, just in case. Actually I was not previously aware that there was a Kearse one from the set so I am happy that you brought it to our attention that there is a fourth one needed to be added to the checklist with the others.

No one should worry about submitting something that already may have been either. It would take forever to verify if something has already been discussed, as I stated previously. Maybe someone from the Beckett staff will happen to see the recent posted examples and then add those if it has been recently discussed again too. Even I made the mistake of posting missing OPG examples a second time, only then realizing later that I submitted the same example years ago prompting me to delete one of the posts to lessen potential confusion. Since then I put together a spreadsheet stating which missing OPG items I previously discussed and what page said example is located on.

[jeffcayce]

Picked this up at a local show in Nashville. Back is not in great shape but I had never seen one. Any ideas on what it is?