[got watcha want]

if the ceasars palace is legit and graded well by a reputable grading company, it would sell the highest of all of them including the RC. That MJ is extemely rare, if its real. Nice collection.

[mroczka01]

Yeah, the Caesar's Tahoe is real and is in mint to gem-mint condition. Graded, it would probably sell for $1500-$2000, but it isn't the rarest or most valuable card in the scans I posted. The Israeli stickers are extremely rare (I only know one other person who has them) and could easily go for $1000 apiece. The KOS stickers are one of only three copies in existence (I got them directly from the original manufacturer who retained the only three remaining copies of the set, which was otherwise uncirculated) and I know I could get $2000+ for them. I paid $2100 for the Fleer Procards #633A, and only one has been graded higher by BGS, and only 7 graded total. I only know one other collector who has the Greek Panini and 1989 Chicle stickers. Those are virtually priceless. Even the 1993 Chicle stickers would go for $1500+. Even the two 1998 Chevy Blazer cards are more rare and hard to get than the Caesar's Tahoe. It's a nice card, but not even close to the best one in that group.

--Andrew

(03-14-2011 01:43 PM)got watcha want Wrote:  if the ceasars palace is legit and graded well by a reputable grading company, it would sell the highest of all of them including the RC. That MJ is extemely rare, if its real. Nice collection.

[filamuraireborn]

(03-14-2011 03:47 PM)mroczka01 Wrote:  Yeah, the Caesar's Tahoe is real and is in mint to gem-mint condition. Graded, it would probably sell for $1500-$2000, but it isn't the rarest or most valuable card in the scans I posted. The Israeli stickers are extremely rare (I only know one other person who has them) and could easily go for $1000 apiece. The KOS stickers are one of only three copies in existence (I got them directly from the original manufacturer who retained the only three remaining copies of the set, which was otherwise uncirculated) and I know I could get $2000+ for them. I paid $2100 for the Fleer Procards #633A, and only one has been graded higher by BGS, and only 7 graded total. I only know one other collector who has the Greek Panini and 1989 Chicle stickers. Those are virtually priceless. Even the 1993 Chicle stickers would go for $1500+. Even the two 1998 Chevy Blazer cards are more rare and hard to get than the Caesar's Tahoe. It's a nice card, but not even close to the best one in that group.

--Andrew

That is a nice information. Oh, I can see the greatest MJ collector now. Or if someone will disagree, then one of the greatest MJ collectors in my lifetime.

Question(?)

Do you also keep notes or a journal type record of all your transactions with the MJ collection?

[got watcha want]

I would have to say your pricing is dead on most of it, except on the cesars tahoe. Check out some of the recent sales of that card and I think you might be pleasently suprised.
The only one I am not familiar with is the Fleer Procards #633A, it could be the highest single because I honestly have not seen one or researched it. The Chevy Blazers and the stickers may be more rare, but don't have the high profile that Ceasars card has gained in the past few years. Not sure why?

We could debate the pricing on these rare MJ's forever, but you ultimately win because they are yours. Thanks for sharing.

(03-14-2011 03:47 PM)mroczka01 Wrote:  Yeah, the Caesar's Tahoe is real and is in mint to gem-mint condition. Graded, it would probably sell for $1500-$2000, but it isn't the rarest or most valuable card in the scans I posted. The Israeli stickers are extremely rare (I only know one other person who has them) and could easily go for $1000 apiece. The KOS stickers are one of only three copies in existence (I got them directly from the original manufacturer who retained the only three remaining copies of the set, which was otherwise uncirculated) and I know I could get $2000+ for them. I paid $2100 for the Fleer Procards #633A, and only one has been graded higher by BGS, and only 7 graded total. I only know one other collector who has the Greek Panini and 1989 Chicle stickers. Those are virtually priceless. Even the 1993 Chicle stickers would go for $1500+. Even the two 1998 Chevy Blazer cards are more rare and hard to get than the Caesar's Tahoe. It's a nice card, but not even close to the best one in that group.

--Andrew

[mroczka01]

Interesting point. I know the Caesar's Tahoe has always been up there with the more rare Jordan issues, but I wasn't aware that it was in higher demand recently. So you're saying that it has been selling for more than $1500-$2000 lately? I paid $1200 for mine three years ago, ungraded, but I know that it would grade a mininum of 9 and has a very good chance at 9.5 or possibly even 10, which is why I said it would probably sell for $1500-$2000 graded. I'm surprised if it's selling for over that amount because both version of the Chevy Blazer and the Fleer Procards #633A are more rare. I've only seen two copies of the Chevy Blazer and one of the Procards (the one I bought) up for sale in the last four years, whereas I've been offered the Tahoe at least five times. Rare cards are funny that way though. Most people don't know how to value them. For instance, I saw the Wichita Eagle Beacon sell for $2100 a year and a half ago, then about six months later it sold for $38.

--Andrew

(03-15-2011 12:38 AM)got watcha want Wrote:  I would have to say your pricing is dead on most of it, except on the cesars tahoe. Check out some of the recent sales of that card and I think you might be pleasently suprised.
The only one I am not familiar with is the Fleer Procards #633A, it could be the highest single because I honestly have not seen one or researched it. The Chevy Blazers and the stickers may be more rare, but don't have the high profile that Ceasars card has gained in the past few years. Not sure why?

We could debate the pricing on these rare MJ's forever, but you ultimately win because they are yours. Thanks for sharing.

[got watcha want]

Yeah the scarce stuff is always like that. The market gets too complicated for most of the collectors with that kind of money to spend.

I really know nothing of the Fleer Procards #633A, if you could shed some light on that card with How many? When? and How it was distributed I would love to know. You seem knowledgable on these rare MJs and that could very well be your best single with what you gave for it. Can you please appeal to my curiuosity?

The main thing is that you get that tahoe graded and then you could talk price. if it were to grade a 9 It wouldn't be far fetched to sell that card with a little patience and get close 250% of the investment that you said you had in it. That card has gained momentum in price over the past year. I think maybe Becket did an article or something that send the demand up. Again, not really for sure on why. Check the select auctions and even heritage and you may run across a recent sell.



P.S. I just mailed your Dr. J rc today and sent you the DC #.
Thanks because, I can give the raw MJ sticker that I have back to my little brother and the slabbed one you swapped to me will now be part of my set. LMK when you recieve and thanks again for the trade.

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http://www.jordancards.com/blog/10-10-01...-tahoe.php

This is some info on the caesers, I know of one BGS 9 since this article was written. I don't think you can still check the BGS population reports since the site migration.

[mroczka01]

The 1994 Fleer Procards #633A was part of a minor-league Birmingham Barons team set. The card was produced in a full print run of about 90,000 cards straight-away without any proof cards being made. When Jordan was shown the finished card, he hated it because his face is really dark and the Barons logo on his jersey is barely visible, and he threw his weight around and got them to destroy the entire print run and replace it with the far more common #633B, which shows his face and jersey much more clearly. A few Fleer employees managed to keep a few of the original #633A cards before their destruction, which eventually leaked out. Many advanced Jordan collectors estimate that only about 10 exist. BGS has graded only 7 of them, and there are only 1-2 graded higher than my BGS 9. Sports Illustrated wrote a short article on rare Jordan memorabilia in 2005 in which Oscar Gracia, by far the world's foremost Jordan collector, called the Fleer Procards #633A one of the three most difficult Jordan cards to acquire. The 1998 Chevy Blazer cards were one of the others. If you ever come across that card, you basically pay whatever you have to to get it. It's hard to put a monetary value on it.

I'm really surprised about the Caesar's Tahoe pulling $2500+ at auction. I have had standing offers for the last couple of years to buy one or two of them through contacts I have for $1500-$1800, and the $1800 one is graded SGC 96 Mint. So they're rare, but not impossible to come by. I guess I could pick up an extra and turn it into some great trade bait. If you say that card's popularity has picked up in the last year or so, it might have to do with the Jordan tribute Beckett put out for his Hall of Fame induction about a year and a half ago, in which several Jordan supercollectors were featured (I missed the submission deadline as I was out of the country), and two of them had the Tahoe pictured amongst their featured cards. As far as the copy I already have goes, I know it's at least mint and I'm not planning on ever selling it, so I don't feel like I need to pay someone $10-$20 to tell me that I have a mint card, which I already know. If I changed my mind on selling it, I would defintely have it graded to maximize the sale value though.

The real gems of the scans I posted are the Israeli stickers, which came from Oscar (referenced above), who originally found those. I know several Jordan supercollectors who would probably give their first-born child to have those. The 1989 Yugoslavian KOS stickers are in the same boat, except no one knows about them. When the original manufacturer tells you that there are only three copies that they didn't destroy, and none were released before they were destroyed, you have a truly rare item (and 6 of my 8 are unpasted). The flip side is that even the most advanced Jordan collectors don't know that they exist, even though they are considerably more rare than the 1989 CAO Muflon Jordan, which collectors are lining up to pay $5000+ for, assuming it comes around again. I guess that has something to do with being listed in Beckett's checklist versus not being included. I don't know as much about them, but I suspect the Greek Panini and the yellow 1989 Chicle sticker are similar in scarcity, but also with the same lack of collector awareness. Those are all cards where most of the value in owning them, in my opinion, is having something that no one else does.

Looking forward to receiving the Erving RC! I consider myself an exclusive Jordan collector, but once in a long while I dabble in cards of a few other Hall of Famer's and that's a beautiful vintage card.

--Andrew

(03-15-2011 04:12 AM)got watcha want Wrote:  Yeah the scarce stuff is always like that. The market gets too complicated for most of the collectors with that kind of money to spend.

I really know nothing of the Fleer Procards #633A, if you could shed some light on that card with How many? When? and How it was distributed I would love to know. You seem knowledgable on these rare MJs and that could very well be your best single with what you gave for it. Can you please appeal to my curiuosity?

The main thing is that you get that tahoe graded and then you could talk price. if it were to grade a 9 It wouldn't be far fetched to sell that card with a little patience and get close 250% of the investment that you said you had in it. That card has gained momentum in price over the past year. I think maybe Becket did an article or something that send the demand up. Again, not really for sure on why. Check the select auctions and even heritage and you may run across a recent sell.

P.S. I just mailed your Dr. J rc today and sent you the DC #.
Thanks because, I can give the raw MJ sticker that I have back to my little brother and the slabbed one you swapped to me will now be part of my set. LMK when you recieve and thanks again for the trade.

[htowntigger]

Whoa, that is awesome, great collection! I'm a MJ collector myself. I love seeing other's collections because it seems that everyone focuses on different things. You have a lot of rare cards, some that I can't afford!

[pingbling23]

very nice cards, i havent seen alot of them.

[got watcha want]

Yeah Ping, these are some of the rarest MJs out there. You will probably not see some of these ever again.

They are getting even harder to find stateside still today, because overseas money makes larger bids or offers on this stuff when it comes up for sale.



mroczka01- thanks for the info on the Fleer Procards #633A, I still learn something new everyday and I have been collecting since 1987. Again, really neat collection and I know how rare some of these are.

Many collectors go for the newer MJ cards that are scarce because his earlier pack distributed stuff was produced in higher print runs. I hope collectors see this thread and realize the rare MJs that were produced back then and maybe start chasing them and in turn, the market for them gets much bigger.