06-15-2011, 12:00 PM
!!!!! THIS IS NOT APPROVED YET !!!!!
Ok, so I'm talking with Bill (Beckett.com admin) and someone from BGS on trying to find a possible way to do group submissions to BGS to get some lower rates. This is an idea I've been pondering and got good ideas from rj88 and htowntigger. It hasn't been approved yet, still working out some details, but here's what I was thinking of and wanted to know who may be interested. This is not for me to make a profit of any sort, just trying to get people more graded cards since some of us aren't rich enough to do it on our own. If you'd be interested, please let me know. Here's the scenario:
BGS Service:20 days
Number of Seats:10-20 (no more, no less)
Cards Per Seat:10 (no more, no less)
Cost Per Seat:Around $100 (working out the details)
Cost for return shipping:Depends on number of seats purchased.
Process (if approved by Beckett.com):
On the first of every month I will make a seating chart in the BGS forum with the title of:
BGS Group Submission: MONTH/YEAR (Example: BGS Group Submission: June/2011)
I will make a post in each of the four major forums (Baseball, Basketball, Football and Hockey) with the same title but I will lock the thread. This thread will have a link to the thread in the BGS forum.
If you wish to buy a seat, you will make a reply to the thread stating that you're interested and posting the cards you want to send. Your post can either have the exact description of the card as it is listed in Beckett, or you can post the link. Or, if you are fancy enough, you can post the link and the description:
<a href="http://www.beckett.com/basketball/1986-87/fleer/57-michael-jordan-rc-3022456">1986-87 Fleer #57 Michael Jordan RC</a>
When you've replied that you're interested AND listed your cards (along with your total DECLARED, not Beckett, value), your name will be placed in however many seats you're requesting in red. Red means you have yet to pay. After you see your name in the list in red, PM me and I'll give you my PayPal account information and you can give me the money that way. (If this gets approved, I'll be registering for a PayPal Debit card to make the submissions. This would be for everyone's safety). Once you've paid, your name will then be orange.
Seating will be open until 11:59:59 PM (23:59:59) of the 5th. If less than 10 seats are purchased, all money will be given back and I'll update the thread that this month has been cancelled. However, if 10 or more seats are taken and paid for, then the cards need to be shipped to me ASAP WITH DELIVERY CONFIRMATION!!!. Once I receive your Delivery Confirmation, your name will be green. Once your cards are received, your name will be blue.
There is no need to fill out or send a BGS Submission form. I'll have to combine all cards onto the same form for the group order. Also, if you give me permission to, I'd like to scan the cards for Beckett to put on the site. I'll send you the scans so you can get the credit for them, unless you tell me otherwise. However, this is completely voluntary as I know some people don't want to chance their cards getting lower grades.
Once all payments are received, all cards are received and I've made the submission, I'll update the thread. Once I get word in my account what the grades are, I'll share them with you in the thread.
When the cards are shipped back to me, I'll bubble wrap them and put them into USPS priority mail box along with Delivery Confirmation. However, this will be included in the amount you would put in my paypal account. I'll have to get the prices for the proper boxes depending on how many cards/seats are requested.
If you request a seat, pay, but do not send your cards or do not send them in a timely manner, you'll be suspended from the Group Submissions for two months. If there were only 10 seats and you not sending your cards takes it down to 9, you will be suspended for 6 months from the Group Submissions. Two of these offenses and you'll permanently be banned from the Group Submissions. To go along with this, I'm thinking that anyone in Canada wishing to participate in this will have to ship one month early. This is simply because of how long it takes for some packages to get from Canada to me (up to 4 weeks). Also, because there is no delivery confirmation from Canada to the US, I would request that you send the cards via UPS/Fedex. I will also look to see how much it will cost to send back the same way. TRACKING NUMBERS ARE IMPERATIVE!!!!!!!! I'm also trying to find out if it will be $1 or $2 for autographs.
Normally, for a user sending 10 cards with no deals or discounts for the 20 day service it would be $11 a card, $14 for ground shipping, and then $8 for insurance if the value is less than $1000. So you'd be looking at $132. At 100 cards, we get 20 day service for $9 a card and free shipping (not sure if it's ground or next day). That comes out to $98 if the total declared value is less than $1000. However, I'm thinking that 10 cards would fit in the medium flat rate box which is I think $7.95. So adding that onto the $98 it'd be $105.95. I'll also add $1 for shipping to BGS. So that would be $25.05 cheaper. Not a lot, but still cheaper. Also, these prices don't include autographs. For each autograph you want graded, it will cost a little more (still waiting on details).
This is something that I think could help some people and may grow over time. Also, I'm hoping that the person at BGS I'm talking to will be able to get that $9 lower since I plan on doing this every month and it'll be 100 cards or more. I know I had wanted to, for myself, use the 45 day service at 200 cards because that is $5 a card and $1 per autograph. I'm hoping that if we can do 100+ cards at 20 day service, he can get it down to maybe $7 a card, so that makes it $20 cheaper ($45.05 cheaper than doing it alone). I'm hoping that he can give me a good deal.
Please reply to this email if you think this is a good idea and that you might like to participate. If you want to participate in this, you will not be made to participate every month. You can do it whenever you want. However, it'd be nice to have regulars to make sure we stay above 10 seats. Also, if you have any experience of sending 100 or more cards at 20 day or better service, could you please let me know what type of free shipping it is? Thanks.
Also, this is not the same as group box/case breaks. While it is still a gamble because it would be sending to a third party (me), it's not the same as buying a box/case of cards and risk pulling nothing. Also, there is no profit gained here while in most box/case breaks there is a profit to be had. I'm also confirming this with Bill that this is not like group box/case breaks.